 | Posted by: | Gliderlover, Angie_nightgirl@hotmail.com | | Subject: | Please Help!!! | | When: | 12:40 PM, 12 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 24.65.233.144 |
My little boy was just nuetered and it is hectic! He ripped his stitches out three times and now is fighting an e-collar! I dont know what to do, he's going crazy! He just got out from anesthesiac for the third time and he is fighting like crazy! I'm holding him with me right now in his pouch where he is fighting and crabbing. The e-collar is very tight but the vet said he can breath okay. The cream that tastes bad did not work for him for sure! I have to hand feed him now and hopefully he will calm down! Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Angie
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| Posted by: | Gliderlover, Angie_nightgirl@hotmail.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 1:16 PM, 12 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 24.65.233.144 |
Yikes, he just wont calm down!! He hasn't slept at all today and he is still fighting! He looks grogy but he wont sleep! I wish there was a sedative I could give him. He licked a little warm leadbeaters when I put some apple juice in it, but he mostly got it all over himself. Does anyone have any ideas on how I can calm him down. The e-coolar has to stay on for 2-3 days so that he has time to heal! I'm so tired and it has only been an hour of trying to calm him down!
Angie
| Posted by: | T.J. | | Subject: | none | | When: | 2:29 PM, 12 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 205.188.199.166 |
The vet. didn't give you any meds for him?
my vet gave me some meds for mine, for pain and to help him sleep. I would call the vet and ask him for some meds.
| Posted by: | Kiwi, none | | Subject: | none | | When: | 3:47 PM, 12 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 216.46.139.251 |
Try calming him down by stroking him, feeding him treats, ect. Things that you usually do. Like T.J. said, call the vet, ask if it is normal and see if there is something you can give him. I don't know much about them, so I am not sure.
| Posted by: | Bourbon | | Subject: | none | | When: | 4:28 PM, 12 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 216.248.35.237 |
email sent
| Posted by: | Gliderlover, Angie_nightgirl@hotmail.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 5:52 PM, 12 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 24.65.233.144 |
He's half asleep now but he looks kind of sickly. Bourbon if you sent an e-mail I wont get it because my hotmail is down right now. Could you please post any info that you have or send it to my other e-mail: burcha@rvvs.com. I will call the vet about meds but I dont know if he will know what to give me. My glider is the first he has ever nuetered. I'm so worried, my boy is looking terrible and he wont sleep unless I leave the room. But I hate to leave him by hinself. His e-collar is so big and he cant even move well. I had to hold him down in his pouch so he could sleep.
A
| Posted by: | Kiwi, none | | Subject: | none | | When: | 6:03 PM, 12 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 216.46.139.164 |
have u contacted the vet yet?
| Posted by: | Gliderlover, Angie_nightgirl@hotmail.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 6:10 PM, 12 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 24.65.233.144 |
I called the vet but he is busy right now so I am waiting for him to call me back. The receptionist said that the nuetering procedure is very simple and that he should be fine. I dont want to accept that reply. He doesn't look so fine to me. She also said that he had been given a pain releaver before I took him home, but I dont know if that is true. I wish I could talk to the vet right now! I wish I hadn't gotten him nuetered I feel so terrible for what he is going through. I want to get some moleskin for his e-collar, but I dont know what that is or where to find it. Not to mention that I am too tired and upset to think straight right now. I will drive him to another vet if I have to but it is a really dangerous drive this time of year, and I am a new driver. I dont know what to do, but I may take him back the the vet and demand some attention (and hopefully dont get thrown into the crazy house).
| Posted by: | Kiwi, none | | Subject: | none | | When: | 7:00 PM, 12 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 216.46.139.199 |
If your Glider is in so much distress  and it looks like it is getting a little worse, you could call another vet and see the receptionists opinion(describe the 'symptoms') See if she/he has any advice. If it doesn't work, he isn't feeling better, than get a more exsperienced driver to drive you.
| Posted by: | Kiwi, none | | Subject: | none | | When: | 7:39 PM, 12 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 216.46.139.185 |
I am anxious to find out how your poor joey is doing. Please tell me if you have any news.
| Posted by: | Gliderlover, Angie_nightgirl@hotmail.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 8:10 PM, 12 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 24.65.233.144 |
My boy is actually about 2 years old! The receptionist called the vet assistant because the vet cant call me till later tonight, so I talked to her. She said that the first time they closed the incision with glue. Then when he easily ripped that off they used stitches. And then when he pulled those out, they used stronger stitches and then put the e-collar on (they used tape around it so it wouldn't hurt him). She said that if Meiko doesn't sleep then I can bring him in and they will give him some pain relievers and a light sedative. He is doing a lot better because he is lapping up leadbeaters from a syringe and drinking lots of water. He is still desperatly fighting his e-collar. I just wish he would sleep and allow his body to heal. I think I will take the vet assistants offer and bring him in so he can get some sleep tonight! Will he be okay even though he hasn't eaten much at all. I tried to feed him more but he is so desperate to get the e-collar off so he wont hold still to eat. I'm glad that he doesn't look as sickly, but he hasn't slept in over 24 hours!!
| Posted by: | Debbie, delliott@tulane.edu | | Subject: | none | | When: | 8:56 PM, 12 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 216.227.111.97 |
My glider was neutered by an experienced vet last week. They always have the animal spend the night there at the hospital. By the time we picked him up at around 5 pm the NEXT day he was just as normal as could be. Of course I can't vouch for the previous 24 hours while he was there, (they didn't tell me anything unusual happened), but I was very happy with the final outcome.
Take him back to the vet tonight. Then you'll both get some sleep. I'm SO sorry both of you went through such discomfort. I think by tomorrow all will be well.
| Posted by: | Gliderlover, Angie_nightgirl@hotmail.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 9:05 PM, 12 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 24.65.233.144 |
The vet said before I left that it would be a danger to his life if he stays over night at the clinic. No one would be there to watch him through the night, if he got his e-collar off he would rip his stitches out and no one would be there to help him. Plus he would be around other animals and would be scared and alone. The vet didn't call me, I'm not sure why. I was hoping to take him in for a sedative but now the clinic is closed. I dont know how he is going to sleep now, his e-collar cant even fit in his sleeping pouch!!! I dont know what to do to get him to sleep! Has anyone here had a glider that had to wear an e-collar? How did they sleep?
| Posted by: | Gliderlover, Angie_nightgirl@hotmail.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 9:11 PM, 12 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 24.65.233.144 |
Can I use Lanacane on his belly to help the pain/burning/itch from the stitches. It is an anesthetic cooling creme medication, its medicinal ingredients are: Benzocaine 6%, Resorcinol 2%
| Posted by: | Jasmine, Spookie_Girl@yahoo.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 10:11 PM, 12 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 165.247.112.246 |
Angie-
I'm so sorry to hear that you are having such a difficult time! You need to find a new vet regardless of whether your little guy recovers on his own or not. The fact your vet won't take him overnight is nonsense. Mine held both boys overnight. Any decent vet monitors his/her patients after operations. Vets who can't do this shouldn't operate on animals to begin with.
It is equally important that a vet can hold an animal overnight so you can rely on them during emergencies. My family learned this the hard way and ended up with a dead husky and a $1000 vet bill during such a situation (very long, disturbing story).
We hope your little guy heals up okay. Our prayers are with you!
-Jasmine, Murry, Zelda, & Loki
| Posted by: | Ellen | | Subject: | none | | When: | 12:17 PM, 13 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.204.24 |
When I had my littke one neutered my Vet kept him on a pain and low tranquilizer for over 24 hours. He sent home syrings filled with just the right amount and show us how to inject him. Every 6 hours. He could still eat and drink and walk. But he just didnt pay anymind to the suture site. It was great for both of us. He never felt anything except when he first woke up and was confused and the vet gave him a little injection and that was that. My vet does believe in sedation for all animals after surgery and until they are comfortable.
I hope you can get some help soon. I know it must be awful for the little guy and you.
By the way we never had to put a ecoller on him. But I did sit up all night with him to make sure. And then that morning I put him back with his sister and all was well. I wish all gliders could have my vet.
| Posted by: | Dawn, capriceb@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 12:47 PM, 13 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 12.4.177.226 |
Angy -- couple of things. First, don't use Lanacane -- my vet tells me that there are ingredients in it that are harmful to gliders. You can use Neosporin Plus (cream or ointment), which has a mild pain killer. Or, if you need something stronger, a vet can give you straight Benzocaine.
Second, moleskin is a fabric with sticky on one side, used for padding on foot sores, bunions, etc. You can find it at most drug stores in the foot care area. Dr. Scholl's makes it, and there are probably others too. If the e-collar is to big or heavy, you can make one -- e-mail me direct if you want and I will give you the instructions. Basically, you use a clear plastic report cover and cut a "C" shape, double pad the side toward the neck with moleskin, and fasten it around the neck with moleskin.
Good luck, and my prayers are with you. It's hard to see them like that, I know, and very stressful on both of you. Give him lots of love and comfort, and don't give up.
~Dawn
| Posted by: | Gliderlover, Angie_nightgirl@hotmail.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 3:13 PM, 13 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 24.65.233.144 |
Well we've made it through the night but he looks terrible! He hasn't slept in over 40 hours (me too) and cant no matter how hard he tries. Everytime he relaxes the e-collar chokes him. I'm going to call the vet and ask if I can bring him in and have him sedated so I can take the collar off. If he is sedated then he wont be able to bite himself. If he tries to bite himself again then I can always just put the e-collar back on. I already put the lanacane on him, but I will wipe it off and use the Neosporin plus. He was very relieved when I rubbed some of the lanacane on his belly, he really liked it but I will use the other stuff and hopefully it will work well too. Right now he is just shaking and staring at nothing, he's not cold so I dont know why he is shaking. I think that he may just be suffering from exhaustion so the sedation should really help him. I will ask if I can take him to work with me so that I can watch him, but I may just leave him with my sister for a while (I showed her how to hand feed him). I was worried that he may be dehydrated but he has been a good boy and is drinking from his water bottle when I put it near his face. Thank you for all of your kind words, I'll keep you updated since I still have two days to go before he can have his stitches removed.
Angie
| Posted by: | Gliders | | Subject: | Good luck!!!!! | | When: | 3:39 PM, 13 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 24.247.39.227 |
 I hope your glider feels better!!! My only advice to you is to try to talk to your vet!!!! Iam new at this so I know how you would feel!!!!! Good luck!!!!!!!
~Gliders
| Posted by: | Judie, RichJHausmann@cs.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 5:42 PM, 13 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 205.188.197.168 |
Were you able to get some sort of seditive or pain med for him yet?
| Posted by: | Gliderlover, Angie_nightgirl@hotmail.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 9:47 PM, 13 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 24.65.233.144 |
I am extremely angry right now!!! I was working so my sister took Meiko to the vet for the sedative/pain reliever! When I came home my sister said that the vet didn't give him anything! I just exploded and then couldn't stop crying, this is so stressful and I dont know why the vet wont listen. He told her that Meiko was healing well and that even though he hasn't slept in over 2 days, he should be okay. He also said that he thought medication would be a very bad idea. I value his opinion, but I told him what I wanted and he just ignored me. Meiko is STILL awake and I am fuming! I took his collar off for a minute and he immediatly went at the stitches so I had to put it back on. Its going to be a long two days before the stitches can be taken out!
Angie
| Posted by: | Gliderlover, Angie_nightgirl@hotmail.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 7:49 PM, 14 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 24.65.233.144 |
Another long day has gone by. Meiko has found a nest that he can fit in and is comfortable, but he is still awake. Last night I found a way for Meiko to eat leadbeaters without my help and I got a few hours sleep feeling relieved that I didn't have to bottle feed him so often. Well a few hours later when I got up and looked at his cage, he was covered in leadbeaters mix! I wiped some of it off with a warm wet cloth but there's still a lot on him. The vet called to tell me that he will need to keep the collar on for another 5 days if he keeps biting himself. OI am going to take his collar off to see what he will do
| Posted by: | Gliderlover, Angie_nightgirl@hotmail.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 7:52 PM, 14 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 24.65.233.144 |
Whoops didn't finish before I posted! On Saturday I am going to take his collar off and see if he bites himself, I am praying that he wont. I work a long day tomorrow so I'm also hoping that he will get some sleep while I'm away. His mate Mocha seems to miss him so much, I cant wait until next Wednesday when I can be sure Meiko will be completely healed and he can go back with his mate.
Angie
| Posted by: | Bonzai | | Subject: | none | | When: | 9:20 AM, 24 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 63.38.184.87 |
I'm not real clear on why your vet won't help you, and maybe I'm just sounding off, but in my personal opinion, I'd start looking for another, (glider-experienced) vet. I have one vet I trust implicitly for my snakes, dogs, cats, and birds, and another, seperate glider-vet for my glider. I hope your boy is doing better now, it's been awhile since this posted. Best of Luck and Happy Holidays.....
Bonzai
| Posted by: | Barb, blooprints@yahoo.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 12:25 PM, 24 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 63.178.69.81 |
I am so so sorry you and your glider have such an unfeeling vet; I'm sure I'd seek out another one now...Is the little fella looking or feeling better?? I hope so...Please keep us posted. We all care.
| Posted by: | Gliderlover, Angie_nightgirl@hotmail.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 8:43 PM, 24 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 24.65.233.144 |
Thank you for all the kind words and help I have recieved, it all helped me get through the hard times. Meiko is doing so wonderfully now! He is back with his mate who is now noticibly pregnant. Its hard to think of this being his last babies but he was a little too agressive before. I now know that the vet had his reasons for doing everything he did. He explained the procedure to me and it was correct, the only reason Meiko had stitches is because he ripped the glue open and they stitched him up to protect him (they are now dissintegrating). The reason he did not get any pain relievers (besides the ones in the isoflaurine) or sedatives is because of the posible dangers. He said that the pain relievers could slow down his healing and cause him problems like hyper activity which would have been bad for him. And the vet didn't want to give him sedatives because he was worried about what would happen to Meiko when he was out. He could have swallowed his tongue or anything, and I probably wouldn't even notice. The vet must have been right because Meiko looks bright and healthy just a week and a half after his nuetering.
Happy Holidays to everyone!!
Angie
Meiko and Mocha + peanut sized joey(s)
Mojo and Mango + 3 week old twins Kayla and Kiera
| Posted by: | Debbie, delliott@tulane.edu | | Subject: | Whew! | | When: | 9:42 PM, 26 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 216.227.111.97 |
I'm glad it turned out okay. You guys travelled a big bump in the road and now are closer for it, I'm sure. You really deserve a big glider-lick for supporting him so conscientiously! 
| Posted by: | Gl!dermommy, Julbabe64@aol.com | | Subject: | Meiko | | When: | 11:07 PM, 26 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 205.188.197.58 |
This is a forum for discussion. Placements of messages wanting sugar gliders or selling sugar gliders will be deleted.
I cannot believe that your vet could not have taken the time to explain all this to you prior to your days of worry! Seems that he could have simply told you all this before hand so that it would save you some of this heartache! I am glad however to hear that your baby is well!
| Posted by: | Angela, angelaisme@home.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 8:47 AM, 27 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 205.188.198.39 |
i know im new at this... but i think you need to find a new vet thats experienced in sugar gliders-fast! if that was his first nuetering with sugar gliders how did he know what would happen? i know i wasnt there to listen to him but it sounds like you need a new vet that know more about sugar gliders. Did he base his thoughts on what happens w/ dogs & cats? because im sure sg's are way different. But thats just my opinion. Glad your Meiko is better!!!!!!
| Posted by: | Me, none | | Subject: | none | | When: | 3:39 PM, 29 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 216.46.140.186 |
I agree with Angela. The only thing is you might have trouble finding another one. They're not very common yet. For example, I was phoning around and asked one vet: "I your vet place (I know, I talk stupidly), do you know what a sugar glider is?" After repeating a few times he said, "I'm guessing it's a turtle?"
If you decide you want another one, look in the section at www.sugarglider.net
| Posted by: | Gliderlover, Angie_nightgirl@hotmail.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 5:40 PM, 29 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 24.65.233.144 |
I have thought it through and since my vet knows my gliders, their names, their ages, everything about them, I would rather stick with him. He may not have handled this situation as well as he could have, but I dont plan on having him nueter or perform any surgeries on my gliders. So for general check-ups I think he will do just fine. Also he knows what to do in emergencies, he had an e-collar ready for me when I came to get Meiko after he was nuetered. If he hadn't made the e-collar I dont know what I would have done. If I couldn't make one on my own Meiko could have died. I'm a little angry at the vet for not being as helpful as he could have, but I am confident that he knows what he is doing. I'm also quite fortunate to have the option of four other vets who have treated sugar gliders in my area. The only reason I have stuck with this one is because he is more personal and knows my gliders by name and not by patient number. Also he is only a block away from where I live which makes it better during emergencies, he also will take emergency cases 24/7. So I think I have good reasons to stay with him, and if I change my mind I am lucky enough to have many other options.
Angie
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