 | Posted by: | JALAYNA JONES, BABYFACE2828@AOL.COM | | Subject: | do you thin it will be ok ? | | When: | 10:10 PM, 14 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.213.186 |
hi, ok so heres what i did . i recently bought a female glider. but she is to young to put in with my other glider right now. ok dreamer is 4 months and woogie is 1 yr and 5 months. so heres my question i heard it will be ok to place her in with him after 6 months. but will be ok to keep them in seperate cages that long (2 months) and then place them in the cage together they seem to get along now but he is not neutred and im planing on breeding them after she is old enough.
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| Posted by: | Kim-, Gliderlove@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 10:51 PM, 14 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 24.164.5.93 |
Why? Why do you want to breed too? There is enough gliders already. Do you not see how many are homeless because NO ONE wants them or can take them? Please dont make anymore. Babies grow up!!! If you are just interested in seeing what a joey birth is like I'll send you my tape for nothing if it'll prevent you from breeding!
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| Posted by: | JALAYNA JONES, BABYFACE2828@AOL.COM | | Subject: | none | | When: | 12:35 PM, 15 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 205.188.193.176 |
i want the gliders myself ! i want them im not selling them. so they will not be homeless. so thats why. besides i have already got homes for them even if i dont keep them.
| Posted by: | Kim-, Gliderlove@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 3:40 PM, 15 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 24.164.5.93 |
You're really gonna hate me for this....but...people have job changes, life changes and have to give up gliders. Theres been an abundance of it lately and its terrible. Too many people senselessly breeding gliders. God forbid your life changes and you have to give up your gliders and/or the joeys homes you have picked out dont work.. you've just created more gliders to try and find homes for. Understand?
My gliders had 7 joeys in 98/99. One is dead due to an owners mistake. One I kept. Thats 5 joeys I am STILL responsible for even tho the oldest ones are 2 years old already. Out of those 7 joeys I had 3 females, 4 males.
I kept 1 male, he's neutered and never bred. Next set of twins- the female was bred twice(on accident), the male is neutered now. I am in contact with her owner. The brother from that set went to a home with a girl who is in school to become a vet and her sister is one. I havent spoken to them in awhile but the male was to be neutered and never bred. He is a lone glider.
Next set, the female is dead- owners fault. She was never bred. Her brother was neutered and lives with my vet.
Last set- The female went with my vet to live with her neutered older brother. No breeding. Her twin brother went to live with another vet Im friends with- he will be neutering his own glider. No breeding.
So, the other 5 joeys that do not live with me does not mean Im not still responsible for them.
| Posted by: | JALAYNA JONES, BABYFACE2828@AOL.COM | | Subject: | none | | When: | 5:45 PM, 15 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 205.188.200.58 |
ok but i have no job and will not be able to work for the next 3 yrs.
so i can and will take care of my babys. i love my gliders now more than i do anything else that i have. i take them everywhere and my boyfriend and my mom also them . my mom wants me to bredd them so she can have one of her own. and 3 of my very close friends that also cant work want one to . so i know what im doing and you dont know me so you really have no reason to judge me. im not the type of person who does what she wants just because i have read stories and so on .and im sure i want to do this. please dont judge me.
| Posted by: | Robin, 4dbirdie@bellsouth.net | | Subject: | none | | When: | 7:22 PM, 15 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 208.61.132.229 |
My question is this...how old are you? You said that you can't work for three years and we know you live at home because you had to convince your mom to let you have them indoors.
Please don't think of just right now. Think of five or ten years down the road when you finish school and HAVE to work. Then who will take care of them? And if you go away to college, you can't have them in the dorms.
I understand your interest in breeding her, but until you are sure you are settled with your OWN life, don't add more innocent ones to the equation!
| Posted by: | Kim-, Gliderlove@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 8:08 PM, 15 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 24.164.5.93 |
Thanks Robin. See this is what Im saying. There are too many gliders already and with an uncertain future why do something so stupid?
Im not judging you Im telling you that you have a 10% chance.. MAYBE that you'll have all these gliders until their deaths. A lot of the kids/adults I warned about breeding and not getting gliders found themselves trying to find theirs homes later on.
If all these people want gliders why not have them buy some of the joeys who NEED homes NOW? Why make more to be left homeless later on? By neutering and helping the ones in need now that is the ONLY way you would show me that you love gliders, especially yours. Breeding will be detrimental to the glider population.
| Posted by: | Bourbon | | Subject: | okay I hate to do this.. | | When: | 10:17 PM, 15 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 216.248.35.176 |
I hate to have to agree with Kim, she just never lets me forget it lol.. however; in this case I have to also agree, thanks Robin.. the same things jumped out at me that jumped out at you..
1. no job.. this in itself is a bad situation. vet bills, etc.. I would also hate to think that the joeys will get sold in order to make up for what was spent.. most common reason.. initally. You never get enough back, and finding great homes are hard, you are talking about not being able to work for 3 more years, that tells me you are still very young, but i am not going to get into those issues.
You already have 2, if you mom wants one let her help with one of the 2 you already have, share them, have her become fully involved with the research, the downsides, etc.. in the meantime get him neutered. I know I can go back and find out when you got the first one, as I know it hasn't been that long, you are still in the "honeymoon" stage of ownership. If your mom waits, chances are she will have both of them to tend to anyways. Please understand unless the parents are fully involved with the gliders, the stats say you will tire of them.. please believe me I am not judging you by no means, what we see a lot is exactly this. the "average" owner keeps their gliders for 6months to a year. Usually tiring of them long before that time. Once the newness wears off etc. Also how do you know in a couple of months they will want to be together? introductions are not a guarrantee by no means, in fact sometimes (more often thean not, there is usually 2 cages. with 2 separate gliders. You are still working on the basic knowledge, please don't start breeding them till you know what all is involved. we have had our gliders for many years and still are learning. Gliders are not for everyone. No matter how cute someone thinks they are.. It is not going to make the time, and commitment any easier. I highly suggest your mom also gets heavily involved with the research, and finds out more than just the cute parts. I have to agree with kim..
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I already know what your gonna say regarding the "young peoples" issues we all have already been there before. but we also see those same onestrying to find homes for the joeys that are over producing, the illnesses that overproducing cause, and the way the parents handle most of those probs. Of the hundreds of young folks that get gliders, there is only a handful I will respect.. they are the ones that are full of dedication, research, and have to work 3 times harder than most. Early Responsible decisions can avoid abandoned, neglected gliders in the future.
For those that have no idea as to the gliders that are being sold, abandoned, look around, read each and every sales ad, read the glider trading post, the glidernet classifieds. Open your local paper. It is time we all take a look at our place in all this.
| Posted by: | Rocki'sMom, babygirl@ccp.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 10:50 PM, 15 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 216.60.86.98 |
Okay, since it appears that no one has answered you yet.....Hmmm....I don't think I would put them together until she is atleast 8 to 10 months old. Even as 6 months she is too young to be placed with an adult intact male. He will most likely rape her, that alone could really hurt or kill her, but if she would become preganant them, she would most likey loose the joey or her ability to have joeys because she is too young. I would wait until she is atleast 8 months. Yes they can be housed seperatley for that long, I would place their cages about 6 inches apart so they can see and talk to each other. Best wishes to you and your gliders. Hope this helped some. 
| Posted by: | JALAYNA JONES, BABYFACE2828@AOL.COM | | Subject: | none | | When: | 10:57 AM, 16 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 205.188.193.32 |
thank you rockis mom, since your the only one not putting me down. and thank you for the info. gosh i look to this place for help not to be told what to do. by the way im 18. im not young im just not able to work for personal reason. im upp every night with my babies playing with them. and also i just wanna let you know i have gliders for almost 3 years now. and i know alot about them. its not my fault everyone neglects there babies. i have made the choice that i want more. also since your worried about the vets bill my boyfriend who is also involved with my gliders he pays for them to go to the vet and so on. but i cannot find any gliders down here to buy .so it took me months to find the one i just recently got. anything else you would like to tell me about feel free!
| Posted by: | Dawn, capriceb@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 12:27 PM, 16 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 12.4.177.226 |
If you've had gliders for almost three years, and your oldest glider is only 1 1/2, what happened to your other glider(s)? And aren't you the person who has to leave them in a cage outside?
| Posted by: | Sheila, kwillson@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 1:43 PM, 16 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 205.188.199.152 |
It sounds like to me you may have some experience with Gliders. Even having gotten one at 16 1/2 and still owning yours it looks like you might be with them a while. Everyone wants babies and everyone who has posted here has had them. You know how much time you have and whether or not you can manage them yourself. No one knows more than you. The fact that your mother has an interest in them is a good thing, not leaving gliders to neglect. The thing you have to be careful with is when to neuter. Joeys don't have to be weaned before mom gets pregnant again. When he is neutered, you have to separate them. Will that stress out mom too much to be away from him when he is getting his surgery? At what point is the best time to separated? Not sure about that. That might be a question you might need to ask here. Wonder if she loses the babies being the first time mom and you have already had him neutered. Males become sexually active at different stage, some as early as six months. There is something to consider here though if he is too young also; his bones are still developing and even though he is not nursing them, she will be eating more than her fair share of food and he might be robbed of his. Just make sure you are feeding them larger portions if she is nursing and if he is under a year old. Just because he has a bald spot, doesn't mean he's ready. I had a glider male at 6 months father 2 joeys. You will know when they are trying because they will not be discreet about it. You might want to think about the whole process like the neutering thing before you do it. Also, if she does accidently get pregnant again, you will need a license to sell.
| Posted by: | JALAYNA JONES, BABYFACE2828@AOL.COM | | Subject: | none | | When: | 2:14 PM, 16 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.213.61 |
right now im am in the process of getting a license. and i want them to breed because I want the babies not to sell them. so i hope that they will get along. right now i have them in separate cages next to each other. but they still talk every night they talk back in forth. its so cute. i love it. but she is still to young to put in the cage with him. my other glider passed away she was like 3 yrs old. and i took her to the vet one time and i wanted to get her nails trimed and the vet broke her back legs and she couldnt walk no more . i went to go get her and the vet explained what had happened and i could have killed him. i was so heartbroken. and then i had already had my male i was in the process of introducinh them when this had hapopened. 
| Posted by: | Kim-, Gliderlove@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 2:40 PM, 16 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 24.164.5.93 |
Dont forget what happened to Jill/Spatch!! Typical situation but see she was getting ready to breed.. her girl had joeys in pouch and her dad made her get rid of them. More gliders being given up.. not to mention joeys as well. So sad. I got my gliders when I was 15 years old! I will be 18 in 13 more days. Im surprised I still have mine. I fought my a.. off for them, but then again I have been told I have a lot of balls for my size.
Im sorry Jalyana but by breeding yours too along with every other person and their brother in this glider community while there are already gliders suffering from senseless breeding, I cant believe you truly love gliders as a whole. You're not helping the species, you're hurting them in the longrun. Thats just me tho. I speak for myself. Take a look at all the other "breeders to be" that ended up screwing up and expecting everyone else to clean up the mess. Just because there are none in your area doesnt mean there is no such thing as rescuing, or the Glider Railroad, or even shipping at the very least(although that should be a last option).
Maybe, Jalayna, you will end up keeping yours gliders to their deaths and being responsible as you say. Its hard to believe anyone who says that tho, its such a rare thing because gliders arent typical pets. They require so much more work, people in general try to get away with as little work as possible but not everyone. Just people in general. Not to mention peoples lives change unexpectedly and the first things to go are the animals. I almost had that happen a few times but I have such a big mouth that I still have my gliders. It isnt about the size of the dog in the fight, its about the amount of fight in the dog.
Maybe you will turn out to be an ok owner, but everyone who "plans to breed" at this time isnt a glider lover in my eyes. There are already established breeders but now we've got an ever growing glider population problem and its not pretty. I'd hate to see these poor gliders end up being euthed everyday like cats and dogs because of greedy people.
| Posted by: | JALAYNA JONES, BABYFACE2828@AOL.COM | | Subject: | none | | When: | 2:59 PM, 16 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.213.61 |
but you see your judging me because of other peoples mistake. see i dont have to ok it with you, to do this. but i feel as a mother to my gliders. im all they have. i love them as if they were my children i will never give them up tp anyone thats like being taken away from your parents i could never do that. i understand they are greedy people out there that are doing it for the money . im not saying ill never get him neutered but for now i would like them to have some joeys so . i could take care of them . i will love them as if they were my own. i dont have the money to go out and buy a joey and i dont have the money to have it shipped and i dont like the idea of a glider being shipped i feel that is wrong to put a glider in a small box and be taken across the world. i would never ever do anything wrong to my babies and i love them as if they were my own kids.
| Posted by: | CindynZia, preddyfairy@aol.com | | Subject: | My 2 cents | | When: | 3:12 PM, 16 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 24.163.103.10 |
I didnt expect to jump into this and i might start a few flames but I dont care. Honesty is the best policy. #1, there are some people who are gonna agree and disagree with decisions, ive seen it ive done it, ive heard it, ive LIVED it as we all have.. Rockis mom was right with her info, wait atleast 8 months to be sure about the female, and 10 for the male.. but that might not be anything to worry with because females dont typically rape males.. Anyways, Kim is not judging you, but she has seen alot in her glider days. She has seen alot of animal abuse/abandonment and is only trying to make you be aware, she isnt judging you or saying you are a bad person for breeding, hell I bred mine and she's still friends with me.. but I also realize that I am responsible for those babies, and if need be, i am prepared to take care of them for the rest of their lives. It just takes someone dedicated. There are alot of homeless gliders out there and the veterans on the board have seen it alot. We have people come and go on the board posting over and over even BEGGING for someone to help give their gliders a home, it is sad, but as you have stated, its not your problem, not is it mine or anyone elses, we just care. We can't save every homeless glider but we can educate. Think of it this way, what if one of your friends takes in the glider, then finds out they got this awesome job and won't have time to take care of it, then they find this person who just LOVES gliders and is educated and really wants one, so they give it to them, then that person breeds it over and over and sells the babies for living, and worse, what if you found out later on?? wouldnt you feel horrible?? I know I would, I just am trying to explain where Kim is coming from. she is very dedicated to saving animals as she has worked with rescues and stuff.. I think all of us on this thread just want to make sure you arent jumping into things, that what we are here for, educate each other, right?
I wish you the best of luck and if you have any questions or comments feel free to email me personally.
Thanks
Cindy
| Posted by: | JALAYNA JONES, BABYFACE2828@AOL.COM | | Subject: | none | | When: | 3:26 PM, 16 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.213.61 |
well cindy i see what your saying but none of my friends would ever do that , and besides i am keeping the joeys. i want them i dont want to give them to my friends i just used that as an example . i love them and would never do it just because of money. i know kim is doing the same thing, trying to educate but she is also judging because she say everyone and everybody else but im not everybody else i am my own person.
| Posted by: | KarenE, KarenElfrank@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 4:43 PM, 16 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.201.49 |
Just curious ... did you sue the pants off the vet who broke your glider's legs? I think that is possibly the worst thing I have ever heard of.
| Posted by: | JALAYNA JONES, BABYFACE2828@AOL.COM | | Subject: | none | | When: | 10:27 PM, 16 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 205.188.196.34 |
actually im in the process of doin so . because i love her so much.
| Posted by: | KarenE, KarenElfrank@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 12:38 AM, 17 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.194.199 |
Excellent.
| Posted by: | FrankZ, frank@zaber.net | | Subject: | Well.. | | When: | 1:34 PM, 17 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 199.228.142.3 |
I'm getting two females, so I won't be worrying about breeding.
| Posted by: | Pockets, tinytracks@cac.net | | Subject: | none | | When: | 1:51 PM, 17 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 216.90.50.146 |
Can you inform us what area of the country you are in?
Do not want other Glider's visiting this same Vet!
| Posted by: | JALAYNA JONES, BABYFACE2828@AOL.COM | | Subject: | none | | When: | 4:34 PM, 17 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.213.79 |
im am in west palm beach florida
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