 | Posted by: | Kitara, fuzzybabies@juno.com | | Subject: | technical Q, supplements | | When: | 3:16 PM, 20 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 63.31.46.227 |
I have seen several post about giving supplements once or twince or even more a week. Now on the days that this is given it will mess up the balanced diet the gliders should be on. So what I want to know is, is this upset in the diet going to have any long term effects or is it ok to give the supplements like that? Since the diet is so balanced and to keep it that way you have to alternate differant foods wont giving the supplements mess up the entire feeding program, not just on the days given but all the time?
Kitara
Kitara
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| Posted by: | John Derek, jdg716@yahoo.com | | Subject: | Ok, my thoughts... | | When: | 3:35 PM, 20 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 204.48.27.130 |
A good diet should not need a lot of supplements at all. A lil extra once in a while is ok, however if your diet is good and covers what it should you’re right a lot could throw things off. What are you feeding?
| Posted by: | Maria, dmeexotics@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 5:01 PM, 20 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 205.188.192.28 |
It would depend on what the supplements were, and how often they were served. I don't use any supplements on a regular basis, but will give them nekton lori as a treat every couple of months. Kind of like letting the kids have ice cream one in a while, as long as it isn't over done, it doesn't change the overall diet. ;)
| Posted by: | Bourbon | | Subject: | what I have seen.. | | When: | 6:26 PM, 20 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 216.248.35.251 |
what i have seen, is one of the biggest problems with getting gliders to eat their main diets .. is that they are getting the "suppliments" glider aid necton lory, and juices, extra vits etc.. as a regular part of their meal. too much of the "candy" will ruin their appitites..
| Posted by: | It's Not Ice Cream, yyy@justme.com | | Subject: | But...... | | When: | 7:55 PM, 20 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 209.249.147.92 |
Yeah but you (Bourbon) recomend supplementing your leadbeaters with fruits and veggies that contain little to no vitamins or minerals. Nectar supplements have protien, potasium, magnesium, zinc, copper, vitamins E, C, D3, A, B-12, B-6, K, folic acid, various amino acids and much more all in a balanced ratio. Name one fruit or veggy or any combo that ensures that these essential nutrients are being provided.
Gliders eat SAP and NECTAR in the wild not apples, pears, peas, corn, grapes etc. These are just not found in thier natural habitat. Neither are brand name nectar supplements but they are a much closer approximation to their natural diet than fresh produce.
| Posted by: | Pockets, tinytracks@cac.net | | Subject: | none | | When: | 8:01 PM, 20 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 209.44.14.94 |
B's right!
You have to be very careful with Gliderade & Nekton Lori...etc
Make sure they are eating what they need to be & then & only then as a treat.
I do provide Glider Booster vitamins - a pinch every few days (my vets advice)
| Posted by: | Clara, clara@sugarglider.net | | Subject: | What I do with mine... | | When: | 9:34 PM, 20 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 207.8.33.32 |
I do give mine gliderade (aka lory nectar) everyday, BUT:
1. I don't give them any more than 5 ml (1 tsp) mixed nectar per day, usually less than that.
2. I don't serve it at the same time as their regular meal so it doesn't spoil their appetites. Instead I wait until they've had their fill of their regular meal and have been out playing for a while. Then they get a little hand fed from a plastic spoon. I think it helps replenish some of those lost electrolytes from romping around. (Once back in their cage they tend to spend a few more hours jogging in their wodent wheel).
| Posted by: | Pockets, tinytracks@cac.net | | Subject: | none | | When: | 10:41 PM, 20 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 209.44.14.94 |
Clara
Do you ever use "Lory-Life Nectar" or
"Nekton Lori" ? 
| Posted by: | Clara, clara@sugarglider.net | | Subject: | none | | When: | 10:57 PM, 21 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 207.8.33.92 |
No, "Lory-life Nectar" is almost identical to Gliderade. Necton-Lori would be similar I suppose but I don't know what the ingredients are.
| Posted by: | Kitara, fuzzybabies@juno.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 11:18 PM, 21 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 63.31.46.181 |
Leadbeaters is not a sole diet and fruits and veggies are not a supplement for it. The leadbeaters, veggies, fruits should all be put together to form a complete diet. The combination should have the right amount of protien, vitamins, minerals to suit the gliders needs, therefor not needing a supplement. As for what gliders eat in the wild well, how many of us have wild gliders with the exact same habitat and conditions of the wild? And how many of our gliders need to eat in such a way so they can glide considerable distances or run from danger or keep warm? If I am not mistaking domestic gliders have some very differant diet needs do to their captivity.
Kitara
| Posted by: | IrishCreme | | Subject: | Im not B. BUT... | | When: | 8:01 PM, 22 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 209.71.86.44 |
It's not IceCream -
1.) You've obviously done your homework concerning what the nectar supplements contain - how about putting some of that energy to good use and figuring out what the BMLeadbeaters contains?? It may take a bit more brainwave activity BUT it may save you from being in the "open mouth; insert foot" position.
2.) Supplements are exactly what they claim to be. Supplements. Not the main CONTENT of - but an ADDITION to a balanced diet.
BMLeadbeaters contains within itself the essentials. The added fruits and veggies are in addition to the Leadbeaters - not instead of. Those suggested fruits and veggies are reccommended BECAUSE they are the most commonly available/used ones and they DONT throw the balance 'completely nutty' when they are offered in different combinations.
Youre right, these foods arent found in their natural habitat. BUT neither are cages and waterbottles. These foods are readily available - just as the cages are.
Alas, the foods are in proportion (vitamin, protein and mineral content) to what is believed to be in the gliders best interest. If you have factual information to state otherwise, Id be particularly interested in reviewing it...
| Posted by: | Sheila, kwillson@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 9:35 PM, 22 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.204.214 |
 I use the Bourbon's Leadbeaters, fruits, veggies, fresh and dehydrated, nuts, grains and twice a week the Gliderade. Gliderade is very good for lactating mothers and right now all 4 mothers are doing that. It does provide extra nutrients for mothers so it's sorta like taking a prenatal vitamin.
| Posted by: | chrissy, crisi13@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 10:18 PM, 22 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.201.191 |
when "what they have in the wild " is mentioned...... I was thinking, isn't it true that a glider in captivity lives a longer life than a glider in the wild..... just thinking and sharing thoughts.
| Posted by: | Clara, clara@sugarglider.net | | Subject: | loger lifespan in captivity | | When: | 11:23 PM, 22 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 207.8.33.65 |
Chrissy,
The longer lifespan gliders enjoy in captivity has little to with diet, it has a lot more to do with a lackof predators. In fact something like 90% of glider illnesses in captivity result from us not being able to provide what their natural diet would be.
| Posted by: | Gliderlover, Angie_nightgirl@hotmail.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 12:30 AM, 23 Oct 2000 | | IP: | 24.65.233.144 |
Their natural diet is very important, just because they are domestic doesn't mean we can give them whatever since "Their not wild". The gliderade is at least a "nectar supplement" and is a good source of nutrients so I sprinkle some on my gliders "sugar glider mix" every second day. The leadbeaters mix is a good source of nutrition, but it does not make up for their natural diet. Since its not possible for us to go get eucalypt sap, acacia gum, and Australian insects. The best we can do is supplement their wild diet. I dont feel that any diet used today properly supplement their natural diet, but for now we know the best and thats what I recommend to be used. BML, fruit and vegetables, lots of insects and maybe a supplement like the gliderade.
Angie ;)
| Posted by: | Moderator | | Subject: | Bringing to the top | | When: | 6:06 PM, 17 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 216.248.35.214 |
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