 | Posted by: | Naarah, Sterling_925@yahoo.com | | Subject: | Parrot Pellet Diet | | When: | 12:50 PM, 16 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 199.179.190.78 |
I have heard that some people use parrot pelleted diets for their gliders. I feed my african grey zupreem and pretty bird. I've given my gliders a couple of the zupreems (fruit flavored) and they liked it. Is this ok to feed them? Should I limit it to a treat? Or can it be part of their diet? Thanks.
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| Posted by: | Mary/Beck, intr01dc@frank.mtsu.edu | | Subject: | none | | When: | 5:47 PM, 16 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 12.77.80.12 |
What is your diet? Is he afrian grey zupeem and prety bir yuentire diet? hope ou realize that lders and birds hve very diferent dietray needs as well as digesive systems. Gliders are not bids....they need adiet that was made for their specific needs.
| Posted by: | Rachel2, SugarGMommy@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 6:33 PM, 16 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 205.188.200.47 |
Uh...Mary...Is you keyboard dying? LOL
I'm sure that as a rare treat this would be ok. But this would not be ok as a sole diet for them.
| Posted by: | Mary/Beck, intr01dc@frank.mtsu.edu | | Subject: | sigh yes!! | | When: | 7:17 PM, 16 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 12.77.80.12 |
Yes it is!!! I bought it in 1991....so it is sorta old. The letters keep getting stuck. Sorry...some of my sentences must look whacked!!
Hehe maybe I should stop posting until I spend the 10 bucks for a new one. Hehe sorry...should I retype my original post since I can't edit it?
| Posted by: | Naarah, Sterling_925@yahoo.com | | Subject: | Pellets and stuff | | When: | 4:07 PM, 17 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 206.141.213.145 |
I give my gliders a varied diet. They get the brisky glider food, "bugs n berries" (it's a powder from brisky) that I mix in with yogurt or applesauce, fruits, veggies, some of what I'm eating (depending on what it is. They love mac n cheese, so I let them have some once in a while, I'm a vegetarian, so when I cook tofu, they get a little, whatever veggie I may have with dinner, or part of the apple I ate for lunch), etc.
The reason why I brought up the parrot pellets is because I read somewhere that they were good for the gliders. I know that gliders and birds have very different dietary needs. I just wanted to check to make sure that it's ok to give it to them once in awhile, or if anyone else did it.
So, if anyone can clue me in or knows anything, let me know!
Thanks!
Naarah and the crew
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| Posted by: | KarenE, KarenElfrank@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 5:22 PM, 17 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 205.188.197.169 |
I agree with Rachel2. This would be okay as a treat. Your diet sounds good and varied so it is obvious that you are aware of a glider's dietary needs.
| Posted by: | Jasmine, Spookie_Girl@yahoo.com | | Subject: | I use Zupreem | | When: | 12:01 AM, 18 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 165.247.116.196 |
I've fed my kids Zupreem for years, and keep it in their cage at all times. I've read from a few sources that there are zoos that actually use parrot pellets as a staple for their large glider populations.
I don't use it alone, though. I prefer mix different dry foods with it (Omnivore chow, insectivore diet), but I always make sure they get fresh food at night time (fruits, veggies, mealworms, Lori-nectar, occasional nuts). Even if the parrot food was truly capable of fulfulling their dietery needs by itself I think it's important to make eating fun for them.
| Posted by: | dagny, kmccallu@risd.edu | | Subject: | none | | When: | 8:44 AM, 18 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 207.87.132.10 |
i also give my gliders parrot pellets..i mix it with a bunch of other dry foods (glider pellets, a small ammount of nuts, an ocasional puffy hmpster treat) and give it to them..i think the most important thing is that they are ALSO getting a well ballenced diet of vegs, fruits, bugs leadbeaters, ect..and it sounds like you are doing that... just a quick question for the group..psittadine (spelling) pellets...are those the same as the parrot ones i know that it must be similar, but is that a brand name or a different product? i have read that gliders would eat that as well (as a treat ) and i am wondering if it is what i am already giving them
| Posted by: | Jane | | Subject: | none | | When: | 10:15 AM, 18 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 24.147.186.90 |
actually Naarah your diet sounds lethal. where are your protein sources, your vitamins. Do you feed them any meat source any insects, the leadbeaters mix, how much briskys do you feed. I seriously worry about your gliders health. Just because you are a vegetarian is not a reason to make your gliders vegetarian. Remember Briskys was never meant to be fed as part of a varied diet and is pretty bad a s a diet anyway. Go research a real diet before your gliders get HLP. And as to parrot pellets keep that for parrots.
| Posted by: | dagny | | Subject: | good point | | When: | 10:43 AM, 18 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 207.87.132.10 |
you are right! i compleatly read that too quickly. your gliders really do need meat. i am also a vegatarian but i give my gliders meat. if you have a problem dealing with meat, you should give them bugs at least. what i do is buy a rotisary chicken once every two weeks, cut it up and put it in the freezer..so they eat that. and i dont have to deal with cooking it. consider this...cause it is important for their health. 
| Posted by: | Mary/Beck, intr01dc@frank.mtsu.edu | | Subject: | none | | When: | 7:21 PM, 21 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 12.77.121.76 |
Considering that brisksy is a sole complete diet and shouldn't be fed with anything else this diet could be dangerous. Briskys should only be fed with with 10% treat....so I am not sure why you are feeding so much stuff with it...that could be very dangerous for the glider.
| Posted by: | Barb, barbloo@yahoo.comS | | Subject: | none | | When: | 12:45 AM, 22 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 63.180.48.71 |
I feel I must comment on the BRISKY DIET. I have raised gliders for nearly 5 years now and never had problems losing babies until this year when I tried them on the Brisky's. Since I tried it, my gliders do a lot more fighting and I lost at least a dozen babies while the gliders were on Brisky's, as complete as it is supposed to be; and I ALWAYS supplement the breeding , pregnant females with extra protein and calcium. I have quite a bit of Brisky's left and will use it up, but I do not plan to buy more. (I lost more babies this year than all the other years combined and tripled.) One thing I will say is that Brisky's does eliminate the fruit fly problem. (Just an observation: Of all my animals, BeBop and GG were the last ones to start eating the Brisky's; they went days without eating before eating it. They are wild caught animals, so their reaction is more instinctive as to what is best for them.) The truth is that given a choice, ALL of my dozen plus gliders prefer good old monkey bicuit or monkey chow to Briskey's, so I would not - in good conscience - recommend Brisky's.
| Posted by: | Naarah, Sterling_925@yahoo.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 2:39 PM, 30 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 199.179.188.99 |
I mentioned that I was a vegetarian simply for the fact that I feed my gliders tofu/soy when I eat it. I do not and never have forced any of my animals to be a vegetarian just because I am (the other household members are not vegetarians). I give my gliders freeze dried insects, the "bugs n berries" powder, yogurt, tofu, chicken (when other household members have it). I rotate their diet so that I make sure that it is balanced and they aren't eating just their favorite foods. I also give them gliderade and repcal. I make a conscious effort to feed my animals as well or better than I feed myself!
Re Briskys: I don't feed it as a sole diet. They don't get it everyday. It is given 2-3x/week and given with other foods. I have not had any problems with it.
To Dagny: Psitticine means a hook-billed bird. So a psitticine diet would be one for a hook-billed bird (cockatoo, african grey, macaw, conure, parakeet...). Most likely it means a pelleted diet in which all the nutritional supplements is already added (like zupreem).
Naarah
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| Posted by: | Jane | | Subject: | none | | When: | 4:09 PM, 30 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 63.84.193.2 |
You will hear the same message any time you tell us you are feeding Briskys as part of a mixed diet. It was never meant to be fed that way. Phone up Mr. Brisky and ask him yourself if you do not believe me. Your diet will KILL your gliders
| Posted by: | Naarah, Sterling_925@yahoo.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 4:45 PM, 30 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 199.179.188.99 |
I appreciate the advice that I have gotten about Brisky's and other items. This is the FIRST time that I was given information that would lead me to believe that what I feed my gliders is not good. I follow the diet that the breeder from whom I got my first glider told me. My gliders are currently healthy, and until now I had no reason to believe there was any problems. I would appreciate knowing what everyone else feeds their gliders. I want to offer mine the best diet possible, and was under the impression that I was.
| Posted by: | Bourbon | | Subject: | none | | When: | 4:56 PM, 30 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 216.248.35.245 |
Gliders diets are nothing to play with, we are seeing more and more dietry related deaths to old information than we have in a very long time. I don't know where this info is creeping up from as We have all tried very hard to try to veer people from the old info that is out there. I see lots of posts here of new owners feeding their gliders things that i wouldn't feed a bird, a dog or even my trash can. But alas, it will happen. As for the tofu, maybe by reading the soy thread that was a technical discussion, you may want to rethink that for your glider, we don't have all the answers, and the diets will be argued for many years to come, but we know what is happening to the gliders due to many of these foods. You haven't been an glider owner that long to say that your diet is fine, diets many times takes a couple of years to show up, those are the ones we call the slow death warrants. We all have to learn from each other based on the experiences that the long time owners/breeders have learned, sometimes those lessons are painful ones but they are lessons. To pull diets out of books that were written in 95-96 says nothing about where those same gliders are now. After all what are the updates on the original gliders? Sadly many have died and moved on. From those deaths we learn what to avoid and why to avoid it. Shall we add more un-necessarily? I nor Jane would NOT Stand back and see a potential death, and not say anything about it. We have fought diet issues with many people , but we do it with the facts, these are not speculations these are deaths, illnesses. How many gliders have you tried to phsyically work with knowing their system has already shut down, and you are just waiting for them to die? Relook your diet over, see the complications in it and fix it, don't try to add more to an already bad situation.
I have to agree with Jane and Barb, that in my conscience, and the fact I have to live with myself, I could not ever advocate the use of Briskys as a sole diet or otherwise. But that is only my opinion.
There are far too many people out there looking for right things to offer that would extend their gliders life.
Read the realstories page, read about the problems with diets, read the boards, listen to those that have lived through the evolution diets and deaths because of them. The information highway is here, utilize it to your highest potential, not just to outdated web pages, where the owners' gliders have died and been sold, and that have not been updated since. Everyone can make a web page, but well after that person, closes their door to the gliders, the page lives on, even with the old info. In fact we are in the process of updating out dated info right her on Sugarglider.com.
| Posted by: | Jane | | Subject: | none | | When: | 5:15 PM, 30 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 63.84.193.2 |
I have had gliders for over five years rescuing my fair share. How you can advocate using Briskys as part of a diet when it clearly states it is a sole use diet I have no idea.
You have been given some good advice consider it BEFORE your gliders get sick not after.
We have all read far too many posts from people's whose gliders have died from bad diets. The number of people who agreed with you before the dangers of your diet was shown is scary.
That is why the rest of this post MUST show why your diet is lethal so no poor fool follows the original diet posted and kills their glider.
Unfortunately many people think that because a diet is on the web it must be trusted even if it is just posted on a board such as this.
| Posted by: | kitara, fuzzybabies@juno.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 6:02 PM, 30 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 63.25.129.85 |
I was feeding a very wrong diet to my gliders at one point and it is because of people like Jane that got in my face about it that i finally saw my mistakes, and really researched and switched to a proper diet.
Kitara
| Posted by: | Bourbon | | Subject: | none | | When: | 10:21 PM, 30 Nov 2000 | | IP: | 216.248.35.229 |
MANY many times breeders get their info from old books, and continued research is not done in the diets area. Which is why it was brought up along with outdated websites. What was once acceptable is no longer, in fact when I first got my glider, catfood and birdseed was a diet of choice.. a year later many gliders died from it, mine was not included as I switched diets long before. The reasoning for mentioning the old books, and websites is to stress the amount of old outdated info. And just because someone is a breeder, doesn't mean they can't give out old outdated info.
We all have seen spats come and go, we have seen differences of opinions, We all have also seen where people don't want to listen to the warnings of some diets. When as I stated in my post people see many times over and over the deaths related to the use of a bad diet, and the facts are given, the diet is defended with "i have used it with no problem", what we also see is many new owners that don't know, will switch to that diet as well, thus causing more deaths..
I myself have many people that are close to me, that we don't use the same diet, however the diets we do use are healthy ones, (for as much as we know about diets of captive gliders here in the states. )The majority does feed briskys as PART of a diet or they feed other things that could cause serious dietary health problems and many can cause death. Which is usually the basis of most glider illnesses and vet seen deaths.
It was strange one day when someone posted that a vet stated that of the gliders he has seen , their average life span was only 3 years, naturally everyone went up in arms about it. But the truth of the matter is 90% of vet seen deaths are dietary related.
That is pretty scary if you think about it.
| Posted by: | Moderator | | Subject: | Moderated Thread | | When: | 12:02 AM, 01 Dec 2000 | | IP: | 216.248.35.229 |
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