 | Posted by: | Tracy, TrixX81@aol.com | | Subject: | question | | When: | 11:02 PM, 22 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.194.202 | | Locked: | This discussion was locked by a moderator. |
Are sugar gliders allergic to ciggerette smoke? Is it ok to smoke a ciggarette in the same room as them?
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| Posted by: | Rachel2, SugarGMommy@aol.com | | Subject: | no | | When: | 11:41 PM, 22 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.213.204 |
Gliders have very sensitive lungs. Think about it... Their bedding can affect their lungs, just think about what second hand smoke can do to them.
I am a smoker. I don't smoke in my house. I smoke outside. I also don't smoke with them on me. Hope this helps 
| Posted by: | Rocki'sMom, babygirl@ccp.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 11:55 PM, 22 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 216.60.86.127 |
I don't know the answer. I personnaly would not smoke around them. Second hand smoke kills people and their lungs are much larger than those of our lil glider babies. I would not do it.
Edited by moderator to remove references to non personal experiences.
| Posted by: | Bourbon | | Subject: | none | | When: | 12:34 AM, 23 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 24.48.198.236 |
TRACY,
I do smoke around my glider, my glider is a pocket glider, as she sleeps during the day in my pocket. okay but this breakdown I have done before. but some think they need to hear it again. I do smoke, i smoke around my gliders.. I have also sat in on an autopsy of a pocket glider , where the lungs were also checked as they too was a heavy smoker. There was nothing found in the lung that would suggest that the smoking effected him. The only way we could figure this was filters...
1. when they sleep they curl up with their head buried under them
2. They also wrap their tails around their heads
3. They have the filter of the shirt itself
4. I wear a cover shirt, so that too covers the pocket.
Now mind you that I do NOT blow smoke into my gliders face, and when she is out I do keep the smoke away from them with either the fan or the air. Some Gliders absolutly do not like the smell of smoke. allergy? Well that is a study that would take a long time to do. The glider we did the Autopsy on was a 4 year old male pocket pet. who was always with heavy smokers. As far as long term effects, well that is something that we will find out as time goes on. The decision you make regarding smoking around your glider is yours, much like smoking around your child. Each one will handle it different ways. You make that decision. I do my best so the smoke does not get directly to her.
| Posted by: | Lina, lina@napanet.net | | Subject: | smoking | | When: | 1:38 AM, 23 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.197.77 |
The results from numerous tests show that second-hand smoke is harmful to animals and humans. In fact, it is said to be worse than first-hand smoke. Pets from the homes of smokers have been shown to have far shorter life spans than those of non-smokers. I can't see that gliders would be immune to the harmful effects, as opposed to every other creature.
I understand that smoking is really hard habit to give up, but I don't think anyone can defend smoking in front of small animals or children in good concscience.
| Posted by: | Jane | | Subject: | none | | When: | 9:29 AM, 23 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 24.147.184.62 |
Lina, I doubt that second hand smoke is more harmful than actually smoking.
Smoking is bad but remember nicotine is the MOST addictive substance on this planet more so than heroin. If someone is a smoker obviously they can try to mitigate this by smoking in well ventilated places. We can all try a little tolerance to smokers and pity the addiction. I know many smokers when faced with nonsmokers including their pets try to only smoke outside or in well ventilated areas to protect others. We all probably do something that is not perfect and this may even despite our best efforts harm our pets, ie let a kid open a cage, step on the glider, squash the glider, allow it to drown in toilets. We all try to have sympathy in these cases, the same sympathy is also due to nicotine addicts.
| Posted by: | Rocki'sMom, babygirl@ccp.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 11:50 AM, 23 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 216.60.86.101 |
Jane, while I appreciate your opinion, I don't think that we can compare the 2. How can you compare a wanten and willful act of smoking to a kid accidentally stepping on a glider? They are two totally different subjects. I realize that nicotine is an drug that one can become addicted to, but those who are addicted could CHOSE to NOT smoke around their gliders. JMHO
| Posted by: | Jane | | Subject: | none | | When: | 5:41 PM, 23 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 24.147.184.62 |
Personally I think people have more free will in stopping accidents and selling gliders from geting bored with them than subjecting gliders to smoke. Nicotine generally gives NO CHOICE but you can choose to check the toilet seat and where you step.
| Posted by: | Lina, lina@napanet.net | | Subject: | Smoking | | When: | 6:14 PM, 23 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.205.81 |
I understand your point about addiction, but there are many programs (12 step, etc.) to help. I quit smoking within two weeks of having small animals in my house. Not that everyone's habit is the same.
But, I don't think addiction is a reason to lie and say that smoking isn't harmful. That was my point. It is one thing to say, "I can't give it up!" and another completely to say, "It doesn't hurt them."
| Posted by: | Jane | | Subject: | none | | When: | 7:10 PM, 23 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 24.147.184.62 |
Noone says it doesnt hurt them. The point that was made is that when you cant stop you CAN make adjustmenst that lessen the risk. At that point the risk becomes tolerable. The point made above was that in the one case where it could be studied no discernible harm was found ie the harm had been lessened. Congratulations on stopping I know for example my Mom would be intolerable if she stopped after her many years of smoking. We all have addictions we just try to keep the harm to a minimum. How many women are addicted to chocolate even just a little bit when having chocolate aroundpets is harmful? Most of us are addicted to sugar when refined sugar is harmful to us and our pets. Cigarettes are a easy target but to whatever level we are all addicts to something and in many cases here it is posting to www boards.
| Posted by: | Mary, intr01dc@frank.mtsu.edu | | Subject: | Cases | | When: | 8:54 PM, 23 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 12.77.80.218 |
No one in this post said it wasn't harmful. All we can go by is the gliders who had necropsies done. The post said that out of the necropsies they have seen there was no effect on the lungs. All that can be said is in those cases there were no signs of harm. The post said that one glider was a pocket glider for 4 years with a smoker....and they had no effect on the lungs. Thats one case. We ofcourse can not base anything on just one case...sadly with gliders it will take many many years for us to be able to actually know the effects of smoking on gliders.
| Posted by: | Lina, lina@napanet.net | | Subject: | not the same as chocolate | | When: | 12:57 AM, 24 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 205.188.199.54 |
Here is a pertinent link : <a href=http://www.yourhealth.com/ahl/1842.html>http://www.yourhealth.com/ahl/1842.html</a>
This is from there-
The carcinogens, or cancer-causing agents in second-hand smoke, are spread evenly throughout an indoor environment. Contrary to popular belief, the carcinogens are just as dangerous to people inhaling the smoke from across the room as they are to those close to the source. In addition, even though the amount of second-hand smoke inhaled by a nonsmoker is small compared to the amount inhaled by a smoker, research indicates that second-hand smoke contains higher concentrations of some of the carcinogens than found in smoke inhaled and exhaled by the smoker. Therefore, even though less second-hand smoke is being inhaled it is very dangerous.
| Posted by: | Selena, Selena_glidergirl@hotmail.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 12:59 AM, 24 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 207.181.75.73 |
Smoking is a very addictive habit and I would never ask anyone to give it up cold turkey for their pets, but lord knows you should at least do it away from your pets (leave them inside and you go outside). Please if you have to smoke do it far away from your glider or any other pet!!!
Selena
| Posted by: | chrissy, crisi13@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 1:27 AM, 24 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 205.188.197.24 |
smoking to smokers is a touchy subject. I know because of course I am a nonsmoker, my boyfriend is a smoker,my grandparents are smokers, Its a very hard habit to break and those who smoke only hear what they want to hear "selective listening" they know its bad, they know its bad for those around them when they smoke,they know.. preaching to them doesn't help the only person that can help a smoker is ..THEMSELVES. I know that no one who loves there animals, is out there perposly smoking around there pets to hurt them. No one wants to shorten the life span of anyone one (animal or not) that they love.
| Posted by: | Lina, lina@napanet.net | | Subject: | cool whip and cat food | | When: | 11:38 PM, 24 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.205.78 |
why was my post deleted?
| Posted by: | Mary, intr01dc@frank.mtsu.edu | | Subject: | none | | When: | 11:53 PM, 24 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 12.77.80.89 |
Hrm I still see your post? Maybe you need to reload?
| Posted by: | KarenE, KarenElfrank@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 11:54 PM, 24 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 205.188.197.169 |
Smoking is a bad habit.
Nicotine is addictive.
Smokers CANNOT/WON'T quit unless they WANT TO.
I Agree With All of The Above.
I am a smoker ... there I said it.
I do not smoke in my house...car yes,house no.
None of the above makes me an irresponsible pet owner
| Posted by: | Moderator | | Subject: | none | | When: | 7:58 AM, 25 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 63.84.193.2 |
This thread HAS been moderated as some posts were irrelevant to gliders. Repeat posts have also been deleted to save space. All further discussion on the addictive properties and rights and wrongs of smoking WILL be removed. This thread should stick to discussing whether it is advisable to smoke next to gliders. A point we all seem to agree is harmful and should be avoided IF possible.
| Posted by: | IrishCreme | | Subject: | smoking | | When: | 10:31 PM, 25 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 209.71.85.16 |
ok, the research that has been done regarding smoking and gliders has shown no diverse effects on that particular glider... but only 1 organ biopsy of 1 animal cannot determine an answer to this consistant question.
Many more tests/biopsys will have to be done to come close to a conclusion. My gliders, when they pass on, will be without a doubt included in that group.
Yes, I smoke... in my house and sometimes with my gliders on me, sleeping under my shirt. I smoke when and where I choose to - and there are no facts that can be presented to me to make me do any different. My home is well ventilated and I never blow smoke on or towards my gliders.
And I certainly dont consider myself an irresponsible pet owner either.  But I am a part of a diverse research team will utilise anything to gain knowledge (good or bad) that is needed very badly in the glider community. Hopefully anyone else who also smokes - even remotely near their glider/s - will consider doing the same.
| Posted by: | Gliderlover | | Subject: | none | | When: | 11:56 PM, 25 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 24.65.233.144 |
I cant believe what I am reading. You people smoke near your gliders? As a person who used to smoke I know the addiction, but I would NEVER EVER smoke in my house or anywhere remotely near my gliders. So 1 glider wasn't affected by the smoke, does that mean you should risk it? Can you imagine those tiny little lungs filling with the toxic fumes of second hand smoke? I also understand how smokers are very defensive, but is it worth your pets life?
| Posted by: | Amber, a_cain75@hotmail.com | | Subject: | aw, come on now | | When: | 12:02 AM, 26 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 135.214.192.46 |
Let's all take a moment to be proud of ourselves, smokers and nonsmokers alike. We care about our pets. We didn't assume the responsibility and get sick of them, or bored with them, or expect them to grow up and do exactly what we say immediately upon entering the home. We wipe up their urine, feces, and other pertinent fluids promptly. We get our hands dirty. We take special care to prepare excellent food, or at least provide accpetable food continuously. We pay untold sums of money on vets (and feel bad for calling the vet's number late at night just to hear it will all be okay)
Do you have any idea how many poor little souls end up beaten, negelected, forgotten, tossed someplace convienient and left to live out a sad, long life? So what if someone smokes around their pets? That pet has a wonderful, happy life which is much better than a lot of animals end up with. You know the fella, it's that neighbor across the street that got a pup for the kids and the poor dog finally died of old age after 10 yrs of eating the cheapest dog food at the store and being left like a old broken toy in a 8 foot by 8 foot square chunk of fenced yard while the kids watch Pokemon. All of you folks that commented here are great owners. (i don't see any of your names on the posts from kids that think they want a glider or someone who spent a year or so with their gliders and then realized, oh YEAH I've got a real life to attend to time to find someone to buy these off me). You should all be proud.
| Posted by: | chrissy, crisi13@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 1:03 AM, 26 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.213.48 |
AMBER VERY WELL SAID
| Posted by: | Moderator | | Subject: | none | | When: | 6:27 AM, 26 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 24.147.184.62 |
This thread is being closed. We have all got the point by now.
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