this poor momma that we have named mia has gone through a lot before we got her. we didn't know she was pregnant when we got her from her previous owner though she was living with 2 males one being intact. so we knew there was a possibility that she could be. no one knows her age exactly other than she's over 2 yrs. mia had another joey before the previous owner before us got her. the male that was with her passed away and she was living in a very small bird cage. no toys or anything which is really sad so the lady rescued her from that person and brought her home to her boys. she's not very tame and between the other owner who had her for 8 months and now us we are slowly getting her tamed down. we now have her in a separate cage from the boys where we can finally give her attention without being bit. so with her back history mentioned i can get to my question. it was brought to my attention from my mom who she lives with about the bulge. so after research obviously we decided that we have a joey. can someone help with maybe some info on how far along it is and possibly how long before we will have a little one out of a pouch. i have read all the other posts looked up what to do for rejected joeys and working on getting ready for the baby.

this website is very helpful....

http://www.suzsugargliders.com/


what diet do you have them on?

You will need to increase protine and calcuim as well. I also give a little ensure 2-3 times a week to help with milk production while nursing.

she is on the bml diet and yea i read suz's site but still little confused. that would be regular ensure? how much do you put on? want to provide the best i can for mia.

In my opinion the Wombaroo High Protein powder is the best suppliment for breeding females. I don't use one of the approved diets on this forum so I can add it to mine if and when I need it. Not sure how it would affect the BML diet tho, maybe someone else could help you with that. But if my females are ever carrying I always make sure they get the Wombaroo, and *touch wood* so far I've had fantastic parents and healthy joeys.

I just did a TBL of ensure to 3 tbls of water!


I also increased the mealites and scrambled egg. You can also give yogurt.

The thing I'm concerned with is that she needs a 'babysitter' or dad there when the joey come OOP. It's a terrible thing that she was separated from the dad at this time. But glad she's out of the bird cage and in a better home.

Suzs' site has the best info on the birth etc. It's in the above post for you.
As already said above, she needs more protein. If this is your first glider, I'd suggest giving her a diet that already had the supplements and protein and ratios all sorted out for you, then feed a good variety of fruits and veggies on the side. My preferred choice for new owners is HPW Complete and serve a good mix of veggies and fruits along with. You can gt a free sample from critterlove.com The HPW Complete is the one that you only have to add water to.

Keep her on that till you are familiar with all diet info and can decide what's best for you and your glider. (It's almost impossible to 'mess up' on this diet, and it's healthy - this is why I always suggest this until the person has time to figure out all the in's and out's of glider's diets.)

you should also order a rejection kit. Also get some pedialite to keep on hand if it is needed for the joey or momma!


Honestly I was a nervous wreck with mine (I didn't want any babies), but MOST of the time the gliders do all the work. You just sit back, keep an eye on them and make sure they are getting all they need.

Mom should have a friend/helper though. any chance in getting the father? Clark (dad) helped out momma sooooooo much.

we have the father he stays at my house while mia stays at my moms. we got her with 2 boys. though while she has been in our care she has gone after the father and sometimes the other male. this is why we removed her from that cage. at the time we didn't know she was pregnant and i can't remove the dad from our other male damon without damon losing his mind. plus is i put the dad back with mia i am afraid she might attack him some more. i am a stay home mom so i tend to all 7 of the gliders that we have between my mom's house and ours. all of our gliders use bml. we just never had a pregnant one until we obtained mia with her 2 male buddies. rocky (the father) is the intact male while damon is not intact. we also live in a small town so a lot of things are not easy to come by like wombaroo stuff. i know suz sells it but it's on backorder. we do know where the nearest vet is that can help if needed. they do 24 hr service. my main question is to see about how far she might be and how long they stay in the pouch so i can have an estimate on how soon i will need a lot of things. i am going shopping later to get what i can. the other thing about mia is we can not put her near our other gliders whether it be rocky and damon who she came with or the other 4 girls we have. when we have her even in the same room as another glider we can not go near her. mia will doing her crabbing noise strike to bite. she basically turns into a bitch pardon my language. this is how she always has been though. when she is by herself then she is the sweetest glider you have ever met. its like having 2 different animals. she's happier alone than with the father or anyone else. i make sure i spend a lot of time with her. only time she is by herself is when my mom goes to sleep. when my mom goes to work all her gliders come to visit with us but we keep mia away from the others. this way mia does not get depressed from being alone though she seems to love being alone and now knowing that theres a baby involved even more attention will be on her.

Clydora,
There are other places you can get the Wombaroo High Protein Supplement. I got mine from a lady in OK when I adopted a glider from her. I have pmed you with the information.

Resa

You need to get the father neutered and get her back with him before those joeys come OOP.

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You need to get the father neutered and get her back with him before those joeys come OOP.

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That is exactly what I was thinking! She's gonna need him to help

Let's put this way, she's grumpy and tired! I sure lashed out at my hubby when I was pregnant! They get that way too

Exotic nutrition website sells it too! Where I get mine

i know she is grumpy and tired i have 3 kids myself but this is her behavior even when she is not pregnant. i don't think you guys are understanding. baby or not she hates being with other gliders. they say if she gets really stressed out then she might reject the baby. well putting him with her will stress her out tremendously. i understand she will need his help but i am trying to look at the well being for the mom, dad and the baby. if she is by herself we can pick her up and hold her but if she is housed near other gliders or with others whether they are males or females then you can forget about even touching her let alone look at her. she plays with her toys eats from our hands and everything when she lives alone. the second she gets near another glider or housed she is hardly ever seen then. rocky already has attack wounds from damon years ago and mia has tried to attack him herself too. we are setting her up a cage at my house so she can be watched contentiously. went and got some ensure today to help with her. i am though disappointed that no one still has answered my question on how far a long she might be. instead its been about how to take care of the baby and mia. the help for that is awesome and glad everyone is concerned. just wish my original question would be answered. i take the utmost care in our animals here and look at the whole picture. i know all of you have concerns because she is separated from rocky. right now we just found out about the joey so we are still trying to work things out also. all we know at the moment is we have a joey coming and need to get ready for it along with boosting up her food. i do appreciate the info everyone has been giving me.

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You need to get the father neutered and get her back with him before those joeys come OOP.

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If they've been separated for this long and living in different houses, there is a big risk he will kill/maim the joeys because he won't recognize they are his any more.

Generally when you first notice a bulge, they're about 4 weeks along - its really hard to tell from pictures what size the lump is - peanut?? grape?? bigger??

Just make sure to offer her a bit more food so she can produce milk for the joey. Since you feed BML, you can use the joey BML formula(same recipe omitting the wheat germ) if she rejects it or it needs supplementing. You had some time to get together other supplies(incubator, heating pad, syringes, etc.)

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Generally when you first notice a bulge, they're about 4 weeks along - its really hard to tell from pictures what size the lump is - peanut?? grape?? bigger??

Just make sure to offer her a bit more food so she can produce milk for the joey. Since you feed BML, you can use the joey BML formula(same recipe omitting the wheat germ) if she rejects it or it needs supplementing. You had some time to get together other supplies(incubator, heating pad, syringes, etc.)

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thank you for answering my main question. she wouldn't sit still so got the best pics i could. it looked more like a grape size though. we are working on everything else that was my concern though is how much time we have. thank you

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You need to get the father neutered and get her back with him before those joeys come OOP.

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please please please.

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You need to get the father neutered and get her back with him before those joeys come OOP.

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please please please.

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I have to disagree in this case because of what CLYDORA has posted and the behavior of Mia. She is showing you(through her behavior) that she doesn't feel comfortable around other sugar gliders. even her own mate.

It happens, Miss Butters and Peanut are prime examples of not wanting their male counterparts around them when it was Daddy time. They would lunge at the father of the joeys and chase him out of my t-shirt pocket. It maybe unusual but it does happen. I also have successfully raised babies with the mom being the only parent, more than one time. From a major mating wound on Karat all the way to a baby on mom and momma Tiny attacking and rolling the male in the cage, also a dad that was trying to push a baby off of mom(baby was holding on by moms tail) when her pouch closed up. Cupcake was tssting and swating at her male Rock and bringing herself and the baby to me. She had no problem leaving baby in box alone when she needed a break. But I also make her nest comfortable and make sure it smells like her so baby can be covered and kept warm with blankets.The articles below have some guidelines to help mom feel comfortable and secure, also some possible early warning signs that something is not right with parents and babies.

Here are a few articles that you should read:
newagegliderssuggiew.forumsmotion.com/f16-breeding-sugar-gliders-handling-joey

I wouldn't make a habit out of single moms but sometimes and in certain situations moms do raise babies on their own. It is better to have another sugar glider to help out with the parenting. We should be learning from our gliders and observing what their actions, sounds, and behaviors are showing us.

I would do a few things such as:
1) Would place her cage in an area that she is most comfortable at. Whether it is a quiet room or a room that has human activities and noises. Some sugar gliders can stress from a quiet room where they are segregated from us. Others don't like noises. I wouldn't keep transporting them from your house back to your moms house.
2) As the articles state: I would leave her pouch or box in the same spot and not lower it as this can cause stress in mom. I wouldn't change out pouch unless dirty or just before babies come oop. And when and if you do MAKE sure you have large GLIDER scented blankets(6 by 6 or 8 by 8 even larger) so mom can cover babies when she leaves. Her scent on material should keep baby from wandering, because they are scent oriented critters.
3) may have to hand feed mom when baby first comes out until she is comfortable enough to leave in pouch/box.
4) try to keep your routine the same and not have alot of strange people around her or handling baby.
Of course if she is use to people being around..I still don't let strange people handle young joeys.
There is no Gaurantee that she will raise baby(s) and not reject them or worse so definitely get a rejection kit to have on hand.
Do you see any joey parts or does her pouch open up at all where you can see in it, and see parts of the baby. Otherwise if they are bigger babies her bumps maybe look bigger or further along or not as far along according to size.
HTH
Art

That was good info Art and I have to agree with you and petluv on this. Usually, how far along are the babies when you can start seeing their body parts thru an opening in the pouch?

Resa

Wow daddyglider! Your post helps me a lot with mamma gliders not wanting the dad around because I'm pretty sure I have a pregnant girl (which is of my choice because I want babies) but my girl is chewing my boy raw! They are separated now and he is healing (yes I took him to a vet). She has no mating marks on her at all. I put them together during tent time when I can supervise which they seem fine together and miss each other but last night she went straight for his ears (which are healing from before). :(

Mia's pouch looks a little open in first photo.
May just be the camera angle.
Resa about 1-3 weeks. Edit: When pouch opens or can see inside you have 1-3 weeks before oop.Some moms can hide babies until close to the last moment.
Then you just see parts hanging out. Moms can also "sing" babies back into pouch after they have detached if they get un-comfortable or stressed.
So if babies are left in nest and next night they are back in pouch that is a warning sign that she is not comfortable enough to leave the babies in pouch/box. Then you need to figure out what has her upset and change back or stop doing what made her upset. And make sure you enjoy your new baby joeys with momma.

You may want to also just handle mom with baby in sleeping pouch in late afternoon to get baby to know your scent. Place hand in with her and then offer favorite treat with other hand. She may sleep under your hand or shake baby or place baby under the palm of your hand for a break. She may nudge or grab and over your fingers around or over baby, Kay Kay was one that do it to me, when we had afternoon time together.
I would watch how she reacts(at night) if you try and sneak the baby away from mom. If Miaor your mom(Amym) runs toward the sleeping pouch as you approach it so may not want you to take baby away. Have to watch how she reacts(when she is up) to you approaching the cage.
Art