Someone just told me about a news story in Pennsylvania that said gliders are illegal there. It seems a woman was sold a glider at a trade show and when she went to get food, she was told they were illegal. Apparently, she is cooperating with the Game Commission and they are now actively seeking out other glider owners. So, if you live in PA, be careful!! You can be fined and your gliders put down, though they are supposedly allowing this woman to find someone out of state to take hers.

thats horrible!!!

I'm pretty sure I've heard of gliders being not technically illegal in PA, but you had to get a license that is super hard to get. Are they actually illegal now? I can't imagine someone taking my babies and putting them down.

from what I hear they are illegal if you do not have the permit but they also havent issued permits in quite a few years. basically there are far and few between who can legally own them. you cant just go get a permit because they stopped issuing them.

Also you have to buy it from a USDA licensed breeder in that state.

Anyone know why you have to have a permit in PA? Just curious, what their reasoning is. Also why they quit giving them out?

I'm not sure, I know in California ALL exotics are illegal, period. . PErhaps they were afraid of disease or overpopulation. I know Eric can explain about some animal overtaking Louisiana and destroying the natural wildlife. That seems to be more plausible, that the animal in question preys on natural wildlife (Both plants and animals). Seems like a good reason to ban them to me.

Perhaps they didn't want to have problems like texas with the breeding mills and what-have-you so they don't give out permits (heh). I know I live in Northeast Ohio only 3 hours from Pennsylvania and the USDA licensed breeders here are SUPPOSED to get an ID to make sure you aren't from PA. When I lived in TN (not far from Georgia) we had to give an our Drivers license and they wrote down our address before we could get a glider. They seem to be pretty strict on that, just not on the housing and stuff

I realize that in some of the warmer areas that their could be a problem with them disrupting the ecosystem. Just figured PA winters would make it impossible to survive.

You actually have to have 2 permits and there are a few who have one or the other, but not both. Also, there are not any USDA breeders in P abecause of the permits.

PA IS SCREWED UP BECAUSE THE WRONG AGENCY HAS CONTROL (WILDLIFE) INSTEAD OF PETS (AGRICULTURE) WILDLIFE CONTROLS BEARS, WOLVES, FOXES, NATIVE ANIMALS. AGRICULTURE CONTROLS PETS. EVERY POST I'VE READ PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY TRY TO TALK TO THE STATE GET THE RUN AROUND. AND LIKE SOMEONE SAID, WITH NO PERMITS, THERE CAN BE NO BREEDERS. IF YOU HAVE A PERMIT, YOU HAVE TO FIND A LEGAL BREEDER IN PA TO GET THE GLIDER FROM. I KNOW PA, LIKE MASS, IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF THE COUNTRY, BASED ON SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS ORG.S THAT STARTED THE STATES. PA HAS HARSHER ALCOHOL LAWS BECAUSE QUAKERS DIDN'T APPROVE OF DRINKING. THOSE OLD INFLUENCES SHAPED CURRENT THINKING. ANIMAL LAWS MIGHT BE THE SAME BECAUSE OF THE LARGE AMISH/ PENNSYLVANIA DUTCH (REALLY GERMAN DECEDENTS) OR JUST TO BE DIFFERENT THAN JERSEY, WHO KNOWS? HERE'S A WEBSITE ABOUT STATE LAWS.


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Why are we shouting?

I think all kept animals should require a permit and yearly in home inspection, including dogs and cats. I also think that most all exotic animals should allowed to be kept, legally, with permit and supervision and direction.

Perhaps private kept animals should be available for education demonstrations and for studding to keep the gene pool alive and well.

I hate snakes, but I believe that a person should be able to keep a 100ft Boa within a license, inspections and constraints.

Would be really neat too if private keepers could utilize inhouse zoo vets for surgeries and such in order to keep those folks on their toes who deal with those varied exotics day in and day out.

I think there is a better way and a common ground for all sides to the animal dilemma.

If a mill breeder has to register all joeys born, then they die, there will be a public record...

That would be wonderful Kazko I agree.Surprisingly when we moved to Kentucky, I found it very unsettling that the Amish were part of the dog & cat mill breeding problem..I was looking at a puppy at a breeders home & this amish guy came by & purchased 7 dogs he was planning on using for breeding & selling to brokers, I found the latter part out after the guy left in a car driven by his neighbor of course..I of course didnt buy a puppy, but yeah being from the west coast & not familiar with amish at all, I found it surprising & revolting that they are part of the problem of puppy mills here! After asking around a bit here, several have said in a "Surprised tone" ((oh yeah everyone knows the amish have done that for years))

aside from the fact its gliders we are talking about, my point is, how do we know how many different species they actually breed?? me being from another part of the US! do the Amish even leave a paper trail? to be able to track what they do?

*whispering* sorry, i'm too lazy to take the caps lock on and off. its easier for me to read, being i also have nocturnal eyes

it is ileagal to buy or sell sugar gliders in pa. but you can get one ther. just can't pay for it. makes it hard to get them. I guess it is like crowd controll.