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It is actually Doris Rex that sells at Trader's Village in Houton. They are a mill in themselves but then you also have another real piece of crap here in the form of S&S exotics. They actually offer wholesale bulk glider pricing. The Rex's are crap & yes they do sell TOO young to anyone with a buck. So does S&S but have opened their operation up to include BULK sales. HMMMM, I wonder who would need or want to buy underaged joeys BULK??? It is my understanding that PPP does not actually breed their own gliders but instead purchase from smaller but still huge mills in the given areas & then resale. I know for a fact that PPP is 100% pathetic. Sorry but not all vets are interested in the good of gliders, some are still prey to the love of money. ANY glider vet who has been studying gliders exclusively for years knows the damage to gliders from PPP & other glider mills. If they love gliders they would not be caught working with PPP as partners. Something_To_Believe_In Face Hugger   647 Posts Dr. Burst is only a "leader" in the veterinary world of sugar gliders in his own mind. NO reputable glider vet goes to him for consultation, advice or just a chat after work. When was the last time you saw ANYONE recommend a consult with Dr. Burst??? It doesn't happen because anyone that knows of him KNOWS that he works with a major mill breeder. So many of us have been working for many years to shut down mills like PPP. Some of us get the pleasure EVERY SINGLE DAY of nursing gliders back to health that started in mills. Any vet that truly CARED about gliders and what was BEST for them would NEVER get in bed with a mill and would NEVER link others to a mill website. This vet has other motives, and I assure you that they are NOT the well-being and emotional health of all gliders. I hope that the readers on this forum will realize this and not spend one moment thinking that Dr. Burst is one they could go to for sound, healthy advice in an emergency. IF Dr. Burst desires to be recognized by those of us doing GOOD in the community, then he can run as far away from PPP and S&S exotics as possible, post a public statement declaring his intent to work WITH those of us in the community who are working against the mills and apologize to all of his clientel whom he pointed in the direction of PPP and their terrible advice. THEN maybe I will give him a bit of credibility. Maybe. Until then, he is just another marketing tool of PPP in my mind. Dr. Burst may very well be a very nice person. Virgil is also very personable. So is Satan for that matter. Nice does NOT equal caring. They HAVE TO be nice in order to peddle their crap filled stories, crap food, and gliders too-young to be away from their parents. If they were complete jerks, they wouldn't be very successful in business, now would they? One gets away with a lot of atrocities when they cover them up with NICE. NICE is not what I look for in a vet - it is a welcome bonus. So, other than nice and a vet, what has Dr. Burst got to offer? Well, he recommends food and practices that are standard rhetoric for a MILL BREEDER. Other than that, all his "years" (which is a fabrication, BTW - it is not YEARS) of study have equaled WHAT for the community? I think you misunderstand me. I wasn't standing up for P3. I'm not exaggerating. The gliders from the place I am talking about come from a specific breeder here. This place really is a step down from P3. I'd do anything to shut it down and have let everyone I can know about it. I don't know the breeder's specific name but if I remember correctly they started with gliders that they bought from P3. They sell in an outdoor market and they have the gliders outside all day long during our 105 degree summer days. Dante spoke of circles of hell and if P3 is one circle this is a circle closer to the lowest pit of hell. Many of the gliders they sell are carrying genetic blindness, which is why so many of my rescues were born blind. I don't want to think about what they must do with the many blind gliders that have to be born from their breeding stock. I don't appreciate being attacked when I'm newly back to all of this. It's very hard for me to accept that a man who has been so warm and wonderful and treats his gliders so well would support mill breeding. I can't put these things together in my head. I do have an honest question. Please don't flame me because this is a *question* not a challenge or anything else. How do these breeders get around the USDA requirements because so many mills have USDA certification. And not to get political here, but if this is how the government handles glider health care, do we really want them handling ours? Seriously guys, please stop attacking me. Look at this from my side and see if you can understand why I would have trouble trying to sort this all out: (1) The man has been *wonderful* to my gliders. (2) He is a *veterinarian*, which means unlike any of us here he went to school to study veterinary medicine for four years after college, (3) he has spent the last six years of his career studying gliders and (4) I got his name from *this* list! Had I not gone to the vet list from this forum and called the name of the only vet from Houston listed here, I never would have even heard of the guy in the first place. How ironic is that? Rita, Dr. Brust is in Sugar Land, Texas. I actually got his name from *this* list. So, I really feel lost and confused about everything.... If you meet this man and see him with his gliders, it is very obvious that he loves them and wants the best for them. Susan I understand your confusion. It sounds like you've been blindsided by this vet so of course you're doing the right thing, which is seeking the truth. I can't speak about the USDA guidelines but I'm sure someone will come around soon and post on that. What I do know is that seemingly wonderful vets can do many not so wonderful things behind closed doors. I worked for one who was engaging, charming, and every pet owners dream in the exam room, but once he got your pet in the backroom it was a totally different story. He would slap dogs on the nose and call them stupid, he would feed a generic brand dog food to borders and say he was feeding science diet, he would cram borders into carrier cages because he overbooked the kennels over holiday weekends---these dogs literally only had room to spin in a tight circle at best! I could go on and on. My point is that he was extremely superficial. On the other hand, I worked for another vet who had no personality, no sense of humor, and was not engaging at all with his clientele but once he got your animal in the backroom he was just as compassionate, loving and attentive as he could be. He never sent dogs to a shelter. He would keep strays there with him until he found them a home (the other doc by the way would take the rescues week of $$, keep the dog a week as promised and promptly ship it to the pound.) I'm so glad I had the opportunity to work for both because of course, I would have taken my pets to Dr. Congeniality had I not known. I don't know anything about the vet in question here, but I hope you find the answers you need. As far as mills go, I think the trouble with getting them shut down lies in the fact that our animal abuse laws are way to lax. Basically if an animal is being fed and watered and is not being physically hurt there's not a whole lot anyone can do about it...I'm not saying don't try but it's a tough battle. trigger Glider USA 164 Posts Susan, I live in Houston and have frequented Traders Village(the outdoor market you refer to) on numerous occasions. You are from Houston and don't know the name of it amazes me, they even have tv commercials all the time. If you have frequented this "outdoor market" the glider sellers "Doris Rex & her husband will even be so kind as to give you their business card. They have personally talked with my husband & myself regarding their gliders & how many they have in a BARN outside their home located in Plantersville(approx. 30 miles from Houston) Yes they are absolutely vermin. But even bigger vermin in the Houston area is the biggest mill around S&S exotics with whom your vet works. Is it really a coincidence that your vet is associated with S&S who sell underaged joeys bulk to bigger mill rings like PPP & that your vet is also funded by PPP? I know the name of the place. I wasn't sure if I could say it online. nurseotter Glider  TX, USA 85 Posts First of all... U think u people are perfect and know everything there is to know about sugar gliders. I am so sick and tired of your rants! All you do is attack people. I said that Dr Brust told me that the owner of P3 supported research, I did not say that he was paid by them... He also works with S&S to neuter and take care of the sugar gliders. You are NOT going to stop a business from selling products and making money. I am glad to know that he takes care of these suggies, rather than some back woods, uninformed vet. I have been to S&S and even though I will not buy a suggie there, I only get suggies from people that can't or won't take care of them anymore, I got a lot of good information from them. Dr Brust is very knowledgeable and wants more vets to be knowledgeable about suggies. He has a book that he has developed for vets about suggies. He showed it to me in his office. He is concerned about these cuties, and encourages a good diet. He has seen the affects of bad diets. He encouraged me to try this diet. He never said I had to. He just wants to make things easier for suggie owners so that they can give their suggies the best that they can. You people are so ONE sided. He is just doing what HE can to make owners better. We feed dogs food from a bag and call that nutrition. We do the same for cats, birds as well as other animals. Just because you hear bad stories about P3 what about the good stories? How many people come on here just to tell you a good story about their experience? Most people prolly won't as most people don't report good things, but you will definately hear all the bad stories, just as you would if you got bad service at Mc Donalds. How many people have ya'll scared off from posting on this forum with all your negativity? I am not saying that I believe in P3... I don't. Just like any other pet, there are too many mills out there... I am angry and ranting, but I just had to get it out... Let the flames begin..... Audra filly47 Goofy Gorillatoes  USA 2330 Posts quote:
Originally posted by suggieluver02
Gliders are from Indonesia, and australia! they are amrsupials.
Amrsupials? Tehe! Sorry, I'm not poking fun at you suggieluver, we all have typos (especially me!), and some of them come out so funny! I'm all about finding a lighter side to everything, and this made me laugh, so I thought I would share it! But no, PPP is something that I can honestly say is an evil conglomerate (oh yeah see I can't spell!) who'se only mission is life is to make money. Don't get me wrong, money does make the world go round, and we need it to survive, but there is a moral line that was crossed. When someone's or something's life, health, and happiness are put at risk for the sake of making money which is beyond normal levels (like actors making millions that they can waste on mansions and fur coats), I have to call them evil. THEHYLAND Zippy Glidershorts FL, USA 4774 Posts I missed this one. So it kind of late and I will have to say this. I have never used them so I can't help you. I would have to agree with the others, all for advertizments. Somebody wants the almighty dollar. I would think the best person to ask advice about feeding our wonderful babies is the person who has the 16 year old Sugar Glider. I would think they know the exact formula of feeding :) snowbanana Starting Member 1 Posts I want to get a sugar glider, but all of this food stuff is scaring me. I was trusting Dr.brust and his videos on youtube, but than on one of his food and diet videos I noticed that he had removed 1 of the 2 comments. that made me think that he didnt want people to hear the other side of what to feed gliders. I don't know what to think. jenNtim Starting Member 7 Posts quote:
Originally posted by nurseotter
First of all... U think u people are perfect and know everything there is to know about sugar gliders. I am so sick and tired of your rants! All you do is attack people. I said that Dr Brust told me that the owner of P3 supported research, I did not say that he was paid by them... He also works with S&S to neuter and take care of the sugar gliders. You are NOT going to stop a business from selling products and making money. I am glad to know that he takes care of these suggies, rather than some back woods, uninformed vet. I have been to S&S and even though I will not buy a suggie there, I only get suggies from people that can't or won't take care of them anymore, I got a lot of good information from them. Dr Brust is very knowledgeable and wants more vets to be knowledgeable about suggies. He has a book that he has developed for vets about suggies. He showed it to me in his office. He is concerned about these cuties, and encourages a good diet. He has seen the affects of bad diets. He encouraged me to try this diet. He never said I had to. He just wants to make things easier for suggie owners so that they can give their suggies the best that they can. You people are so ONE sided. He is just doing what HE can to make owners better. We feed dogs food from a bag and call that nutrition. We do the same for cats, birds as well as other animals. Just because you hear bad stories about P3 what about the good stories? How many people come on here just to tell you a good story about their experience? Most people prolly won't as most people don't report good things, but you will definately hear all the bad stories, just as you would if you got bad service at Mc Donalds. How many people have ya'll scared off from posting on this forum with all your negativity? I am not saying that I believe in P3... I don't. Just like any other pet, there are too many mills out there... I am angry and ranting, but I just had to get it out...
Let the flames begin.....
Audra
I completely and totally agree with you!! people on here think that their way is the best way and there is no other way or ur suggies will DIE!! Just bc the way he says to feed is less complicated than every1 elses way its WRONG...Sorry but i'm gonna listen to my vet b4 i listen to ANY1 on the *&^$*@# forum. All they do is bash people when some1 asks for advise and some1 gives an answer they don't like!! if you don't agree you can say well this is they way i prefer to do it but to down right bad mouth every1 that has a different belief than them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Catman Goose Catcher CO, USA 2670 Posts jenNtim Starting Member 7 Posts quote:
Originally posted by Catman
Who's your vet jenNtim?
right now i go to anne arundel vet hospital. i'm in search of a vet that knows more about the little critters, but living in maryland most people don't even know what a sugar glider is so finding a god one here is hard so i don't go to them unless its an emergency i find most of my info from the breeder i got my babies from. jenNtim Starting Member 7 Posts quote:
Originally posted by Nicole87
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Originally posted by jenNtim
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Originally posted by Catman
Who's your vet jenNtim?
right now i go to anne arundel vet hospital. i'm in search of a vet that knows more about the little critters, but living in maryland most people don't even know what a sugar glider is so finding a god one here is hard so i don't go to them unless its an emergency i find most of my info from the breeder i got my babies from.
I'm from Maryland...Hunt Valley Animal Hospital is wonderful. Dr. Frank is great, I highly reccomend him. And just for future reference....bashing this community as a whole will not get you very much help!
oh i'm not looking for help from ne1 on here they r mean as hell for the most part(no offense to u) i was looking something up online and happened onto this site i joined when i first got my gliders and havn't been back here since than until now. but thank you on the vet recomendation do u know how far that is from arbutus? jenNtim Starting Member 7 Posts they way people go about giving "THE FACTS" is just flat out rude if some1 doesn't know ne better or some1 says something they don't like they don't have to sit there and be rude about it just simply say i don't agree or thats no how i feel but to sit here and call people dumb or w/e they call them is rude!!
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they get people with kids in malls must i bring up the discussion!!! 