I have no idea where arbutus is, but they have a website with their address. www.huntvalleyanimalhospital.com

And we're not mean as hell. Frankly, I'd rather hear the honest truth from people than go to any other forum where members are afraid to tell you when you're doing something wrong.

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Who's your vet jenNtim?

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right now i go to anne arundel vet hospital. i'm in search of a vet that knows more about the little critters, but living in maryland most people don't even know what a sugar glider is so finding a god one here is hard so i don't go to them unless its an emergency i find most of my info from the breeder i got my babies from.

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I'm from Maryland...Hunt Valley Animal Hospital is wonderful. Dr. Frank is great, I highly reccomend him. And just for future reference....bashing this community as a whole will not get you very much help!

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oh i'm not looking for help from ne1 on here they r mean as hell for the most part(no offense to u) i was looking something up online and happened onto this site i joined when i first got my gliders and havn't been back here since than until now. but thank you on the vet recomendation do u know how far that is from arbutus?

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I know there is nothing I can say that will change such a hard-hearted way of thinking... But one day you will realize we were telling you the truth. Unfortunately it will be when your gliders die from being on such a poor diet, like countless others already have because of the lies told by the PPP and the vets associated with them.

You want facts? You want to listen to a vet instead of us? There are many glider vet specialists who will all tell you the same thing. Do the responsible thing, call them and get a second opinion before your gliders die.

jenNtim it was nice of you to introduce yourself.From where i come from that is rude.

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right now i go to anne arundel vet hospital. i'm in search of a vet that knows more about the little critters, but living in maryland most people don't even know what a sugar glider is so finding a god one here is hard so i don't go to them unless its an emergency i find most of my info from the breeder i got my babies from.

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I'm from Maryland...Hunt Valley Animal Hospital is wonderful. Dr. Frank is great, I highly reccomend him. And just for future reference....bashing this community as a whole will not get you very much help!

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oh i'm not looking for help from ne1 on here they r mean as hell for the most part(no offense to u) i was looking something up online and happened onto this site i joined when i first got my gliders and havn't been back here since than until now. but thank you on the vet recomendation do u know how far that is from arbutus?

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I know there is nothing I can say that will change such a hard-hearted way of thinking... But one day you will realize we were telling you the truth. Unfortunately it will be when your gliders die from being on such a poor diet, like countless others already have because of the lies told by the PPP and the vets associated with them.

You want facts? You want to listen to a vet instead of us? There are many glider vet specialists who will all tell you the same thing. Do the responsible thing, call them and get a second opinion before your gliders die.

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i didn't start this thread i was just commenting on it. Btw my gliders are on the BML and r doing just fine but in the whole reality of things a vet went to school for a reason and no1 on here did so i'm going to believe what a vet tells me especially if sugar gliders is what they specialize in b4 i take to heart nething on here for example one person wanted to know what 10,000 gliders the diet was tested on and making a big deal over it when in reality at one time ALL glider diets were pretty much an experiment of trial and error.. it wasn't just common knowledge oh wait instead of bugs give them wheat germ, and baby food.

jenNtim go away!!

The original poster of this thread is a slime ball and most likely involved in mill breeding JMO.

IP check?

no the slime ball you are refering to simply asked a question about a diet and thats all!!

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no the slime ball you are refering to simply asked a question about a diet and thats all!!

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UHhhh wrong!

A diet where the primary staple is made up of mostly corn fillers, is going to kill a glider. If you feed BML then you understand that gliders have a desperate need for calcium. Without it, they die. Pure and simple, and it is NOT a pleasant way to go, either.

A vet that supports this diet and tells their client to feed this mess is corrupt. Just because someone went to medical school doesn't mean that they aren't corrupt. Unfortunately, they are human first and subject to all that that entails, including greed and lying.

And at the end of the day, your education has nothing to do with your sense of morality.

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A diet where the primary staple is made up of mostly corn fillers, is going to kill a glider. If you feed BML then you understand that gliders have a desperate need for calcium. Without it, they die. Pure and simple, and it is NOT a pleasant way to go, either.

A vet that supports this diet and tells their client to feed this mess is corrupt. Just because someone went to medical school doesn't mean that they aren't corrupt. Unfortunately, they are human first and subject to all that that entails, including greed and lying.

And at the end of the day, your education has nothing to do with your sense of morality.

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Audra my vet is very knowledgeable with sugar gliders. He does not agree with your vets info. Now I know every vet may have different ways of doing things but when I brought my first glider to him he was so relieved to hear I did not feed her these pellets. Thanks to this website and other websites I learned how do take care of my glider the right way. He had 2 gliders die from PPP around the same time I got mine. These little ones need a lot more than those pellets. I also talked to my emergency vet to make sure she could handle my girl if I needed her and she agrees with my regular vet. I watch this Dr on youtube and just the fact that he goes on there because PPP wants him to makes me wonder what kind of vet he is. Good vets who have animals best interests at heart would never do this.

JenNTim - what is your agenda here? You have been a member on this board since 2007 and have never posted until today.

What on earth drew you to jump into this particular thread - that has had no posts since Nov 30?

Seems odd to me. Do you have some information to share about the products that are the initial topic of this thread? If so, perhaps you should read all the info in the thread and start a NEW Topic if you have new information to share with us.

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JenNTim - what is your agenda here? You have been a member on this board since 2007 and have never posted until today.

What on earth drew you to jump into this particular thread - that has had no posts since Nov 30?

Seems odd to me. Do you have some information to share about the products that are the initial topic of this thread? If so, perhaps you should read all the info in the thread and start a NEW Topic if you have new information to share with us.

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i saw the vet mentioned on here on youtube and wanted to research it and when i typed his name came across this

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JenNTim - what is your agenda here? You have been a member on this board since 2007 and have never posted until today.

What on earth drew you to jump into this particular thread - that has had no posts since Nov 30?

Seems odd to me. Do you have some information to share about the products that are the initial topic of this thread? If so, perhaps you should read all the info in the thread and start a NEW Topic if you have new information to share with us.

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i saw the vet mentioned on here on youtube and wanted to research it and when i typed his name came across this

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Perfect!!!! Keep researching him and you will find he is part of a huge sugar glider mill!!

Our plan IS working!

I would think when taking exotics such a Sugar Gliders to the vet you would want a second opinion until you find the right experienced one. Just because they went to vet school does not make them a good vet. Remember Jack Kevorkian was a Doctor but I would not want to see him just because he went to medical school..

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I would think when taking exotics such a Sugar Gliders to the vet you would want a second opinion until you find the right experienced one. Just because they went to vet school does not make them a good vet. Remember Jack Kevorkian was a Doctor but I would not want to see him just because he went to medical school..

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Ummmm not a good comparison. Kevorkian provides a service to suffering people, which should be our right to choose. I understand what you mean though. I wouldn't go to him for a check up .

aahhha good point on that one Catman. . As long as we got the meaning though..LOL..

Catman as usual you are showing your NON INTELLIGENCE. I am not a slime ball... and if there weren't kids on here, I would really tell you what I think of you. If you could read you would see what I am posting is questions, which you have shown that you really cannot answer. And yet again, you are slamming and blasting people instead of helping out...
Get over your ugly self and get a clue.
AUDRA

They also have a PM thingy where you can say what ever you want and no kids would see,knock your self out!

And yet again, at the beginning of the post, I WAS asking a question. I also have posted that I ended up not giving the pellets to them. BUT YET not one person on here has told me WHY the pellets are bad, except for the person who talked about the abscesses that can come with hard pellets. You talk about corn fillers being bad, but nobody says WHY.... Why don't you blasters shut your pie holes and just answer questions without being rude.

cuz like you say... were only here for our suggies!

AUDRA

I really think you need to get off your high horse and start reading the actual responses that everyone posts.

Corn is bad because of the outrageous calcium to phosphorous ratio which is 0.02:1. And you know that thing called HLP? It's a pretty nasty disease where you sugar glider can no longer use it's hind legs because of all the crap food you've been feeding them. Because phosphorous yanks calcium right from the bones, which is why that nifty ratio of 2:1 should always be used.

And when those hard dry pelleted foods are chock full of fillers, they are just that. Fillers, no nutritional value just crap shoved into a recipe to make a larger batch for less money.

The answers about ingredients and repurcussions of pellet food are here:

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24413&whichpage=1

and here:

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24924&whichpage=1

...anyone else getting the feeling of deja vu?

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Its more like a hemorrhoid

Wow talk about being rude. From what I understand corn meal is a filler. It has no nutritional value and can cause them to become overweight.

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Wow talk about being rude. From what I understand corn meal is a filler. It has no nutritional value and can cause them to become overweight.

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Being overweight is the least of their problems. Corn has ZERO nutritional value REGARDLESS of species... You might as well be feeding them tortilla chips. Corn is the junk food of the veggie world but it's CHEAP and in abundance... Therefore they use it to "fill" a large percentage of a lot of foods, not just so called glider diets. But because corn is a notorious calcium stripper, it's like feeding a diabetic chocolate brownies when you give a glider corn or corn based diets as their primary source of nutrition. this is cold hard medical fact. Which is why I despise vets who say otherwise... They know darn well that what they're saying is bull.

Anyone who spends five minutes studying nutrition will see that what I'm saying is true.

WOW there has been so much drama here lately.

The only thing I can say is that I was one of those who bought a glider from a breeder who fed melons and grapes, meat three times a week, and a pelleted diet for birds and that was all they told me I needed to feed. I was told I didn't need to have two gliders because all the company my glider needed was my company and that she/he would bond to me better that way. The breeder didn't even know what gender she was. And my single glider lived pretty much that way with some variation and addition of other fruits and veggies for three years.

I can tell you this, my knowledge was changed after I came here searching for information, when I found out how awful the diet I was feeding my precious baby was. I was not happy with what I was told here and felt they were just being rude, but I was wrong and they were right. Now my gliders quality of life was changed for the better because of it.

The people who tell you the truth and don't always sugar coat it are not trying to be rude or to upset you, they are trying to educate and give you an understanding of what may be of benefit to your precious glider. What good is investing in an animal that you will have to care for and nurture for up to 15 years if you aren't going correctly care for it? Believe me, if I feel someone is being rude I will defend, but here they are only trying to educate and advise.

I think the problem lately is the SAME drama being played out on multiple threads. We had last weeks fiasco on 4 or 5 threads and 2 current "tiffs" going on, on 2 and 3 threads EACH. It does make for quite a but of frustration and redundancy. I think it's odd how this one was brought up out of the blue though..